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Should DNA testing be allowed on recently found NativeAmerican remains
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Two major remains have been found in the Americas, those being Kennewick man and Spirit Cave Mummy.

Kennewick man is said to be 9000 years old, Spirit Cave Mummy is 9400 years old.

As you can tell, these remains are older than the European colonization of the Americas, and are the oldest remains we have found in the Americas.

The significant thing is, they have Caucasoid affinities.

When first shown the Kennewick man skull to coroners, they said "White male" (Supposedly, three of them did) and a study in 2000 by Jantz and Owsley suggests that Spirit Cave Mummy is morphologically closest to Norse Europeans - this was done by comparing the skull to 39 populations (8 Amerindian populations) and seeing the closest match.

DNA has not been allowed to be extracted due to claims to the remains by Amerind tribes.
They have failed to support their allegations that they are the descendants of this person (or his tribe) yet still get the remains.

We have successfully extracted 14 thousand year old DNA from shit, but apparently can't extract 9 thousand year old DNA from a bone.

A press release by the US Interior Department, dated September 25, 2000, states that the US Secretary of the Interior determined to conclude further scientific research and give the skeleton of Kennewick man "to the Tribes that have jointly claimed" the remains for reburial. No proof that they are connected has been given.


These remains, and the fact that Caucasoid mtDNA haplotgroup X has been found in the Americas suggests a Caucasoid influence may exist.

Science demands and answer, political correctness claims otherwise.


Should we be allowed to further attempt to test the remains? If another Caucasoid-like skeleton is found in the Americas from 1000s of years ago, should we be able to test the DNA or should we give it to the local tribes that claim it as their own (No proof is ever given)?

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They should put it up to chance. Flip a coin or something

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Yes it should.

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I'd go for the DNA. Science is exploration...
What do you study, exactly? I'm curious. What's the name of the field(s)?

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No one should be getting anything without further proof. I say a little sample couldn't hurt, I mean with just that we could go back even further then what we thought we had. We could look up past historical problems, and genetic concerns.

Maybe I'm going to far.

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Yea, we should be allowed to get dna from it.


And 3 anon coroners saying "white male" doesn't prove shit...especially if they aren't named, experts, or even have proof other than 9000 years between them and a skull.

Post edited at 8:14 pm on Aug. 12, 2009 by IceTeaEdwin

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Quote: from Birdsquirrel at 11:13 pm on Aug. 12, 2009

I'd go for the DNA. Science is exploration...
What do you study, exactly? I'm curious. What's the name of the field(s)?

This thread would be about anthropology.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:13 pm on Aug. 12, 2009

Quote: from Birdsquirrel at 11:13 pm on Aug. 12, 2009

I'd go for the DNA. Science is exploration...  
 What do you study, exactly? I'm curious. What's the name of the field(s)?

This thread would be about anthropology.

You study anthropology?

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Quote: from IceTeaEdwin at 11:15 pm on Aug. 12, 2009

You study anthropology?
Privately, yes.

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Quote: from IceTeaEdwin at 11:13 pm on Aug. 12, 2009

Yea, we should be allowed to get dna from it.

 
And 3 anon coroners saying "white male" doesn't prove shit...especially if they aren't named, experts, or even have proof other than 9000 years between them and a skull.


James C Chatters claimed it was Caucasoid after studying the bones. He has a PhD.
Named and expert enough for you?

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Yes

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"Caucasoid affinities" LOL

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Quote: from jakelong at 1:23 am on Aug. 13, 2009

"Caucasoid affinities" LOL
What's so funny about it Jake? If we did a DNA test, we could tell if they were really Caucasian, or just looked like it.

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There has been a lot of talks about ancient Europeans coming from France and/or Iberia across the ice patches during the last major ice age to the east coast, as well as the Polynesians rafting over and the land bridge in the Bering Straits

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Quote: from whoisabs at 12:14 pm on Aug. 13, 2009

There has been a lot of talks about ancient Europeans coming from France and/or Iberia across the ice patches during the last major ice age to the east coast, as well as the Polynesians rafting over and the land bridge in the Bering Straits
Yes, the one about Caucasians is called the Solutrean hypothesis and is supported by Caucasoid mtDNA in Amerindians and these apparently Caucasoid remains.

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