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If your race knows about spacecraft then find another planet too live on.

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Quote: from drkberry at 5:28 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

If whties are so great then find another planet too live on.
I don't think we should adapt for your sake. But, spaceflight is pretty much a white invention...

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I don't think non whites have to cater to whites either.

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Quote: from drkberry at 5:33 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

I don't think non whites have to cater to whites either.
They aren't.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Good thing.

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Quote: from drkberry at 5:39 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

Good thing.
Yeah, nobody should rely on anyone else.

*cough* Italy Pays $5 Billion to Libya to stop them from immigrating *cough*

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:26 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

The greatest civilizations have been WHITE civilizations
You mean

Egyptians
Mesopotamians
Sumerians
Chinese
Cannanites
Aztec
Mayan
Inca
Gupta
Chola
Angkor
Burmese

were all MINOR civilizations?

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Egyptians
Mesopotamians
Sumerians
Cannanites

Those were white.

Chinese
Aztec
Mayan
Inca

Those had a lot of white influence.

Gupta

India was greatest when it was white-owned with the caste system.

Chola
Angkor
Burmese

Yes, actually, these were MINOR civilizations.
I don't even know what the hell these are...

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:15 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

Those were white.
define "white" then.



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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:15 pm on Sep. 1, 2008

Egyptians
Mesopotamians
Sumerians  
Cannanites  

Those were white.


I thought there was a difference between white and "caucasian." My understanding was that you didn't consider Semitic peoples to be white.


Chinese  
Aztec
Mayan
Inca  

Those had a lot of white influence.


I call bullshit. China had absolutely no white influence. Where do you think we got paper from? Gunpowder? China. Who had the first vaccinations? China. Who has a calendar going back more than 4, 000 years? China. And the early Aztecs, Mayans and Inca also had no exposure to whites until Europeans started fucking with them and brought down their civilizations.


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I thought there was a difference between white and "caucasian." My understanding was that you didn't consider Semitic peoples to be white.
They aren't. First off, Mesopotamia is an area, not a civilization.

Next off, Sumeria was created by Nordish and Mediterranean whites but it spanned throughout many phases.

Read: http://white-history.com/pontikos_lie12.htm


And, again, Egypt was a White creation. The oldest mummy in existence has red hair.
http://white-history.com/egypt_gene.htm


Canaan itself is, as you said, a MINOR civilization.



I call bullshit. China had absolutely no white influence.
Tocharians built the Silk Road.


Where do you think we got paper from? Gunpowder? China.
My turn to call bullshit!

Often the allegation is heard that paper was invented in China . Paper was never used in China. China used a textile based parchment. The very earliest documents in Europe were also captured on material parchment - but there is no evidence that this development was transmitted from the East to Europe.

In Europe, the process to make a textile thin enough to be comfortably used, meant a laborious process of pulping thicker scraps of textiles by hand. This process was revolutionized in 1798 by the French scientist Nicholas Louis Robert, who invented the first mechanical paper pulping machine. The raw material was still crude textile. Robert's machine was improved by the British stationers and brothers Henry Fourdrinier and Sealy Fourdrinier, who in 1803, produced the first of the machines that bear their name.

Only in 1840, was the process of producing paper from ground wood developed in Europe, and the idea of adding chemicals only took place in 1850, creating the modern paper making process which has lasted to this day.

In 1850, the German Friedrich Gottlob Keller devised the first method of making paper from wood pulp. In 1852, the Englishman Hugh Burgess, improved upon the process by mixing the wood pulp with chemicals, and in 1867, the American chemist C.B. Tilghman, started adding sulfites during the pulping process. Finally, as late as 1879, the Swede C.F. Dahl, perfected the use of wood by adding yet another chemical.

Paper is thus purely an European invention, despite popular belief to the contrary.


The first written reference to gunpowder - and how to make it - appears in the writings of the 13th century English monk Roger Bacon, belying the oft held theory that it was developed in China and exported to Europe. In fact, the Chinese has what they called "fire powder" - an inflammable chemical which they used in bamboo tubes to make clay pellet firing 'rockets."

A 14th Century German monk, Berthold Schwarz, was the first person to use gunpowder to fire a substantial projectile, and can rightly be given the title of inventor of the firearm. Schwarz was preparing gunpowder in a closed vessel called an apothecary's mortar when the mixture ignited and blew the pestle from the mortar. The use of "mortar" for a type of ordnance commemorates this occasion.

The oldest Chinese canon dates from 1332, whereas in Europe, the oldest cannon found so far dates from 1300, which was made in Sweden. European cannon are also depicted in a 1326 manuscript on war by Walter de Millimete of England.

"Gunnis cum telar" - guns with handles - showed up in the 1350s, marking the emergence of the personal firearm. Gunpowder factories had been established in England and Germany in 1334 and 1340 respectively.


Who has a calendar going back more than 4, 000 years? China.
Egypt created the first great calendar, and the oldest lunar calendar identified is 15,000 years old from Lascaux FRANCE.


vaccinations
Powdered scabs from smallpox injected into your blood? Wow, great. How about you look at the Vaccines of some white guys. Louis Pasteur, who created the vaccine for MANY things, including Anthrax and Rabies. Or maybe Edward Jenner, who created the real WORKING smallpox vaccine.


And the early Aztecs, Mayans and Inca also had no exposure to whites until Europeans started fucking with them and brought down their civilizations.
More bullshit to be called! I have to go now, but evidence PROVES that whites roamed the Americas before all others.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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The only evidence kidd_rune ever has is that of his own convictions.

Confirmation bias.

I've yet to see Egypt being classified as exclusively Caucasian in origin. And with all his "proof", it still only ends up in a hotbed of debate that stems from his unreliable sources. The trusted sources say differently.

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Pertaining to the topic, kidd_rune can twist and turn whichever way he pleases. It is not difficult to discern the vested interest he has on the subject of white ideology.


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The only evidence kidd_rune ever has is that of his own convictions.

Confirmation bias.

I've yet to see Egypt being classified as exclusively Caucasian in origin. And with all his "proof", it still only ends up in a hotbed of debate that stems from his unreliable sources. The trusted sources say differently.


Look up the oldest mummy. His name is Ginger, and he has red hair. Nice negro kingdom, eh? How about the Nefertiti and king Tut reconstruction. Pretty Negroid, eh?

And no, here's a little excerpt on genetics in Egypt:

American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 1 , Pages 63 - 66

Y-chromosome haplotypes in Egypt

G. Lucotte *, G. Mercier

International Institute of Anthropology, Paris, France

*Correspondence to G. Lucotte, Centre de Neurogénétique Moléculaire, 44 rue Monge, 75005 Paris, France


Abstract
We analyzed Y-chromosome haplotypes in the Nile River Valley in Egypt in 274 unrelated males, using the p49a,f TaqI polymorphism. These individuals were born in three regions along the river: in Alexandria (the Delta and Lower Egypt), in Upper Egypt, and in Lower Nubia. Fifteen different p49a,f TaqI haplotypes are present in Egypt, the three most common being haplotype V (39.4%), haplotype XI (18.9%), and haplotype IV (13.9%). Haplotype V is a characteristic Arab haplotype, with a northern geographic distribution in Egypt in the Nile River Valley. Haplotype IV, characteristic of sub-Saharan populations, shows a southern geographic distribution in Egypt.

As for mtDNA (Krings et al., [1999]), the present study on the Y-chromosome haplotype shows that there are northern and southern Y-haplotypes in Egypt. The main Y-haplotype V is a northern haplotype, with a significantly different frequency in the north compared to the south of the country: frequencies of haplotype V are 51.9% in the Delta (location A), 24.2% in Upper Egypt (location B), and 17.4% in Lower Nubia (location C). On the other hand, haplotype IV is a typical southern haplotype, being almost absent in A (1.2%), and preponderant in B (27.3%) and C (39.1%). Haplotype XI also shows a preponderance in the south (in C, 30.4%; B, 28.8%) compared to the north (11.7% in A) of the country. In mtDNA, sequences of the first hypervariable HpaI site at position 3592 allowed Krings et al. ([1999]) to designate each mtDNA as being of northern or southern affiliation, and proportions of northern and southern mtDNA differed significantly between Egypt, Nubia, and the Southern Sudan.


It is interesting to relate this peculiar north/south differentiation, a pattern of genetic variation deriving from the two uniparentally inherited genetic systems (mtDNA and Y chromosome), to specific historic events. Since the beginning of Egyptian history (3200-3100 B.C.), the legendary king Menes united Upper and Lower Egypt. Migration from north to south may coincide with the Pharaonic colonization of Nubia, which occurred initially during the Middle Kingdom (12th Dynasty, 1991-1785 B.C.), and more permanently during the New Kingdom, from the reign of Thotmosis III (1490-1437 B.C.). The main migration from south to north may coincide with the 25th Dynasty (730-655 B.C.), when kings from Napata (in Nubia) conquered Egypt.

Concerning less frequent Y-haplotypes in Egypt, haplotype VIII is characteristic of Semitic populations, originating in the Near East (Lucotte et al., [1993]). For example (Lucotte et al., [1996]), the frequency of haplotype VIII is 26.2% among North African Jews (where it represents the majority haplotype) and 77.5% among Jews from the island of Djerba (Tunisia), reaching 85.1% among Oriental (from Iraq, Iran, and Syria) Jews. Similarly, haplotype VII had a general geographical distribution fairly identical to that of haplotype VIII (which it often accompanies as a secondary haplotype); haplotype VII distinguishes itself by increased preponderance north of the Mediterranean and in Eastern Europe (Lucotte et al., [1996]). Haplotype XV is the most widespread Y-haplotype in Western Europe (Lucotte and Hazout, [1996]), where its frequency decreases from west to east (Semino et al., [1996]; Lucotte and Loirat, [1999]). Haplotypes VIII, VII, and XV are less common haplotypes in Egypt (7.3%, 6.6%, and 5.5%, respectively), and tend to be located in the north of the country, near the Mediterranean coast. Possibly haplotypes VIII, VII, and XV represent, respectively, Near East, Greek, and Roman influences.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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The Chinese have had a civilization for 4500 years
They've gotta to be doing something right.

http://www.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inventions.html

http://www.sdcoe.k12.ca.us/score/chinin/chinintg.htm

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Paper
Often the allegation is heard that paper was invented in China or Egypt. In neither of these two civilizations was paper used: in China a textile based parchment was used, and in Egypt bound reeds - papyrus - was made into parchment. The very earliest documents in Europe were also captured on material parchment - but there is no evidence that this development was transmitted from the East to Europe.

In Europe, the process to make a textile thin enough to be comfortably used, meant a laborious process of pulping thicker scraps of textiles by hand. This process was revolutionized in 1798 by the French scientist Nicholas Louis Robert, who invented the first mechanical paper pulping machine. The raw material was still crude textile. Robert's machine was improved by the British stationers and brothers Henry Fourdrinier and Sealy Fourdrinier, who in 1803, produced the first of the machines that bear their name.

Only in 1840, was the process of producing paper from ground wood developed in Europe, and the idea of adding chemicals only took place in 1850, creating the modern paper making process which has lasted to this day.

In 1850, the German Friedrich Gottlob Keller devised the first method of making paper from wood pulp. In 1852, the Englishman Hugh Burgess, improved upon the process by mixing the wood pulp with chemicals, and in 1867, the American chemist C.B. Tilghman, started adding sulfites during the pulping process. Finally, as late as 1879, the Swede C.F. Dahl, perfected the use of wood by adding yet another chemical.

Paper is thus purely an European invention, despite popular belief to the contrary.

Printing
As with paper, the allegation is often heard that printing was invented in China. This is also untrue: in China a simple system of pattern inking had been developed in which a strip of material was lain against a water based painted picture. This only worked for very basic patterns and was consequently was not widespread. There is also no evidence that this technique was ever exported anywhere as it had virtually no applications.

In Europe, printing was developed entirely independently after long thought on how to speed up the process of book copying: Johann Gutenberg, of the German city of Mainz, invented the technical aspects of printing in 1450. Basing the design of his machine on a wine press, Gutenburg developed the use of raised and movable type and from the start used oil based paints.

The invention of the printing press revolutionized the spread of knowledge: a printing press was built in Venice in 1469, and the city had 417 printers by 1500. In 1476, a printing press was developed in England by William Caxton; in 1539, the Spaniard Juan Pablos set up an imported press in Mexico City, Mexico. Stephen Day built the first printing press in North America at Massachusetts Bay in 1628, and helped establish the Cambridge Press.

By the end of the 1400's, 1,000 new books were being published per year by Europe's book printers. By 1815, the number had climbed to 20,000 per year.

The Non-white world's wealthiest city, Constantinople, under the Ottoman Turks, did not acquire its first printing press until the year 1726, and by 1815, the grand total of all the books published in Constantinople in the preceding 89 years, was only 63 titles.


Gunpowder
The first written reference to gunpowder - and how to make it - appears in the writings of the 13th century English monk Roger Bacon, belying the oft held theory that it was developed in China and exported to Europe. In fact, the Chinese has what they called "fire powder" - an inflammable chemical which they used in bamboo tubes to make clay pellet firing 'rockets."

A 14th Century German monk, Berthold Schwarz, was the first person to use gunpowder to fire a substantial projectile, and can rightly be given the title of inventor of the firearm. Schwarz was preparing gunpowder in a closed vessel called an apothecary's mortar when the mixture ignited and blew the pestle from the mortar. The use of "mortar" for a type of ordnance commemorates this occasion.

The oldest Chinese canon dates from 1332, whereas in Europe, the oldest cannon found so far dates from 1300, which was made in Sweden. European cannon are also depicted in a 1326 manuscript on war by Walter de Millimete of England.

"Gunnis cum telar" - guns with handles - showed up in the 1350s, marking the emergence of the personal firearm. Gunpowder factories had been established in England and Germany in 1334 and 1340 respectively.


Compass
Damn this one's a bit harder.

American astronomer John Carlson has suggested that "the Olmec may have discovered and used the geomagnetic lodestone compass earlier than 1000 BC". If true, this "predates the Chinese discovery of the geomagnetic lodestone compass by more than a millennium"

There have been various arguments put forward concerning whether or not the European compass was an independent invention.


The thing about this was that whites didn't invent the compass since they didn't need it. They used celestial bodies and other methods when on land.


But, I guess I can give credit to the Chinese, even though it's a debate that China's invention influenced the Europeans.

Well, at least one of the four inventions can be believed...

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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