Sad that we COULD die. But lets all think good karma here.

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Quote: from telomere13 at 5:06 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from stimmer at 3:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008

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You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something.

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 You're completely wrong.  A vacuum is free of matter, but not energy, and energy can be converted into matter/antimatter.

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Yes, vacuums are free of matter, but still contains energy

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While yes you can convert energy into matter there is no such thing as free energy. Energy is a scalar physical quantity that is a property of objects and systems which is conserved by nature. Energy is often defined as the ability to do work. This means that energy is a property of matter, you cannot have energy without a particle. Even the fundamental forces are transmitted by particles, although it may not seem that way. No kind of interaction occurs without a particle coming into contact with another particle.

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Quote: from Crazy snake at 12:52 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from telomere13 at 5:06 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from stimmer at 3:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008

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You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something.

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  You're completely wrong. A vacuum is free of matter, but not energy, and energy can be converted into matter/antimatter.

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 Yes, vacuums are free of matter, but still contains energy

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While yes you can convert energy into matter there is no such thing as free energy. Energy is a scalar physical quantity that is a property of objects and systems which is conserved by nature. Energy is often defined as the ability to do work. This means that energy is a property of matter, you cannot have energy without a particle. Even the fundamental forces are transmitted by particles, although it may not seem that way. No kind of interaction occurs without a particle coming into contact with another particle.

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so I take it you are not a proponent of the Higgs ocean?

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
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Quote: from stimmer at 5:33 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from Crazy snake at 12:52 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from telomere13 at 5:06 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Quote: from stimmer at 3:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008

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You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something.

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 You're completely wrong. A vacuum is free of matter, but not energy, and energy can be converted into matter/antimatter.

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Yes, vacuums are free of matter, but still contains energy

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While yes you can convert energy into matter there is no such thing as free energy. Energy is a scalar physical quantity that is a property of objects and systems which is conserved by nature. Energy is often defined as the ability to do work. This means that energy is a property of matter, you cannot have energy without a particle. Even the fundamental forces are transmitted by particles, although it may not seem that way. No kind of interaction occurs without a particle coming into contact with another particle.

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so I take it you are not a proponent of the Higgs ocean?

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Quite the contrary I believe a lot in the Higgs Mechanism. It's very hard not to believe in it as the theory is so solid and has interconnection with many other fields of work, all it's lacking is observation of the Higgs boson. However, I don't think that you understand how it works. The theory proposes that at temperatures where symmetry is unbroken, every particle except the Higgs boson is massless. When an elementary particle passes through the Higgs ocean which you describe, a Higgs boson interacts with that particle, giving it mass and allowing it to bond. Think of when you walk into the ocean, water molecules stick to you skin, and when you exit the water some are still on you. This is the same thing that happens, except the ocean is the Higgs field, the water is the Higgs boson and them sticking to you is what gives you mass. There are still particle interactions taking place.

Post edited at 6:34 pm on Sep. 7, 2008 by stimmer

Actually, I think YOU might have it a little wrong, unless I am mistaking what you are writing. If we are talking about temperatures at the time of the Big Bang, the elementary particles pass through the Higg's ocean without effort, giving them massless properties. When the higg's level finally settled at a non-zero plateau, it created a near-uniformity of [what is comprable to] a sort of friction substance. Basically an inertia-assigner.

The idea of mass is the result not of having a ton of Higg's bosons stuck to you, but of particles having to move through the field.

my point is only that there is no true VACUUM.

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Well, It is mathematically solid, but I wouldn't say that not believing in it would be logical ass-hattedness.  

Actually, I think YOU might have it a little wrong, unless I am mistaking what you are writing. If we are talking about temperatures at the time of the Big Bang, the elementary particles pass through the Higg's ocean without effort, giving them massless properties. When the higg's level finally settled at a non-zero plateau, it created a near-uniformity of [what is comprable to] a sort of friction substance. Basically an inertia-assigner.  

The idea of mass is the result not of having a ton of Higg's bosons stuck to you, but of particles having to move through the field.  

my point is only that there is no true VACUUM.

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Of course not believing in it is in no way idiotic, I was just saying that it makes a lot of sense and I feel that it is a solid theory.

I completely agree with all your points, and in my second post I did point out that there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. The analogy of the water sticking to you was simply the best way I could think of explaining the mechanism to the everyday person (let alone everyday teenager). While your way of explaining it is more correct, for most it is a lot harder to understand.

I think that when I read your first post I inferred that you believed that the Higg's field was not comprised of any type of particle, just energy, seeing as you quoted my response to them saying that energy can't exist outside particles.

In the Higg's field an elementary particle interacts with an ocean of uniformly distributed Higg's particles, slowing them down and giving them mass. The type of particle determines the level of interaction. That is all I was getting at.

Post edited at 8:13 pm on Sep. 7, 2008 by stimmer

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either that, or a black screen will drop down with the words "LEVEL TWO" on it.

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I want.

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 6:41 pm on Sep. 7, 2008

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Well, It is mathematically solid, but I wouldn't say that not believing in it would be logical ass-hattedness.

Actually, I think YOU might have it a little wrong, unless I am mistaking what you are writing. If we are talking about temperatures at the time of the Big Bang, the elementary particles pass through the Higg's ocean without effort, giving them massless properties. When the higg's level finally settled at a non-zero plateau, it created a near-uniformity of [what is comprable to] a sort of friction substance. Basically an inertia-assigner.

The idea of mass is the result not of having a ton of Higg's bosons stuck to you, but of particles having to move through the field.

my point is only that there is no true VACUUM.

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Of course not believing in it is in no way idiotic, I was just saying that it makes a lot of sense and I feel that it is a solid theory.

I completely agree with all your points, and in my second post I did point out that there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. The analogy of the water sticking to you was simply the best way I could think of explaining the mechanism to the everyday person (let alone everyday teenager). While your way of explaining it is more correct, for most it is a lot harder to understand.

I think that when I read your first post I inferred that you believed that the Higg's field was not comprised of any type of particle, just energy, seeing as you quoted my response to them saying that energy can't exist outside particles.

In the Higg's field an elementary particle interacts with an ocean of uniformly distributed Higg's particles, slowing them down and giving them mass. The type of particle determines the level of interaction. That is all I was getting at.

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Gotcha, glad its cleared up

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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.It's the transition
that's troublesome.   --Isaac Asimov