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Quote: from neodymie at 6:52 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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QFT- I forgot to mention that also! Why would you bring a child into a family that sees it as a punishment? How do you think that child's life will turn out?

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 Has America become so desensitized that we don't even care for our own flesh and blood anymore?

 
 What about the other points? Why do you feel the government should give you health care? Money when you lose your job?

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Yeah, because America is the only place that abortion happens. Go you!

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I'm not saying it is. However it is the subject of my discussion atm.

And once again. Why can't you answer a question? You just jump to personal attacks.

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a wheel revolving uniformly-by
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Quote: from The Raven at 3:59 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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Quote: from neodymie at 6:52 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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QFT- I forgot to mention that also! Why would you bring a child into a family that sees it as a punishment? How do you think that child's life will turn out?

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  Has America become so desensitized that we don't even care for our own flesh and blood anymore?    

   
  What about the other points? Why do you feel the government should give you health care? Money when you lose your job?

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 Yeah, because America is the only place that abortion happens. Go you!

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I'm not saying it is. However it is the subject of my discussion atm.  

And once again. Why can't you answer a question? You just jump to personal attacks.

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It's pretty pathetic that you think every person who doesn't agree with you is attacking you personally.

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It's pretty pathetic that you think every person who doesn't agree with you is attacking you personally.

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Well so far all you've done is attack. Let's here an actual argument...

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  Here force failed my high fantasy; but my
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a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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It's pretty pathetic that you think every person who doesn't agree with you is attacking you personally.

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Well so far all you've done is attack. Let's here an actual argument...

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No, you just take it as an attack. There is a difference.
I gave me argument that I don't believe you understand human nature, that or you don't accept it, and you failed to respond to it.

From your posts, you seem like the type of person who thinks sex is only meant to be if you want to have a baby, or can have a baby. You think women can just get pregnant and that's that. That it is not rough having to go through pregnancy. So if they don't want to do it, they shouldn't have sex.
Human nature goes against this mindset. That is all there is to it.

If you want a personal attack, though, I can gladly give you one. Anyone can tell you I'm the perfect person to do it.

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No, you just take it as an attack. There is a difference.  
I gave me argument that I don't believe you understand human nature, that or you don't accept it, and you failed to respond to it.  

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From your posts, you seem like the type of person who thinks sex is only meant to be if you want to have a baby, or can have a baby. You think women can just get pregnant and that's that. That it is not rough having to go through pregnancy. So if they don't want to do it, they shouldn't have sex.  
Human nature goes against this mindset. That is all there is to it.  

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No, I am not against recreational sex. What I'm saying is that when you have sex you take a chance of getting pregnant. When you drive you take the chance of hitting someone. Is killing the person you ran into dealing with the problem? No!  

Post edited at 4:38 pm on Sep. 3, 2008 by Neodymie

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  Here force failed my high fantasy; but my
desire and will were moved already-like
a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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Oh how lovely, comparing this running over someone with a car!
And this is why I tend to stay the fuck out of these topics. The people who start them are idiots.
(THAT was a personal attack, sir. )

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You don't get it. When you have sex you take a chance and you should be prepared to be deal with the consequences. Just like when you drive. You take a chance and you're(usually) prepared to deal with the consequences. Hence insurance.

Once again why can't you answer the question? Why do you feel you shouldn't have to take responsibility for actions?

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  Here force failed my high fantasy; but my
desire and will were moved already-like
a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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Quote: from drifting at 3:36 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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And the Republicans want to spend money they dont have

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As opposed to Obama?

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give tax breaks to oil companies
and take away your basic constitutional rights.  

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So you're for windfall taxes on oil companies and for basic constitutional rights huh?

 

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We have a massive deficit, that being said, we really have no money.

However, McCain's voting history demonstrates that he would damage that deficit even more. He could do nothing for reducing it.

As for constitutional rights, fuck yes. But neither party can, or will deliver it to the fullest extent.

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Kids in the back seat can cause accidents.
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Moral: Drive a two seater

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Quote: from neodymie at 6:40 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 3:36 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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And the Republicans want to spend money they dont have

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As opposed to Obama?

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give tax breaks to oil companies
and take away your basic constitutional rights.  

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So you're for windfall taxes on oil companies and for basic constitutional rights huh?

 

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We have a massive deficit, that being said, we really have no money.  

However, McCain's voting history demonstrates that he would damage that deficit even more. He could do nothing for reducing it.  

As for constitutional rights, fuck yes. But neither party can, or will deliver it to the fullest extent.

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So you believe in peoples rights and you believe in taking huge amounts of money from companies and giving it to others? A little hypocritical don't you think? Contrary to popular belief America IS a capitalist society. Not socialist. Redistribution of wealth is against everything this country stands for.

Post edited at 6:37 pm on Sep. 3, 2008 by Neodymie

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a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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Quote: from drifting at 6:26 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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Quote: from neodymie at 6:40 pm on Sep. 3, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 3:36 pm on Sep. 3, 2008  
 

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And the Republicans want to spend money they dont have

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 As opposed to Obama?  

 

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give tax breaks to oil companies  
 and take away your basic constitutional rights.  

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 So you're for windfall taxes on oil companies and for basic constitutional rights huh?  

   
 

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We have a massive deficit, that being said, we really have no money.  

However, McCain's voting history demonstrates that he would damage that deficit even more. He could do nothing for reducing it.  

As for constitutional rights, fuck yes. But neither party can, or will deliver it to the fullest extent.

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So you believe in peoples rights and you believe in taking huge amounts of money from companies and giving it to others? A little hypocritical don't you think? Contrary to popular belief America IS a capitalist society. Not socialist. Redistribution of wealth is against everything this country stands for.

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Your fighting a loosing battle, considering giving tax breaks to the wealthy is redistribution of wealth as well.

Thats exactly what the Republican party has instituted, and thats exactly what Obama is pushing to destroy.

Oh, and Palin actually took money from the drilling companies, and gave it directly back to the people. If thats not redistribution of wealth, I want to know what is. At least if its used in tax dollars, everyone has the potential to benefit.

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Kids in the back seat can cause accidents.
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Moral: Drive a two seater

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Your fighting a loosing battle, considering giving tax breaks to the wealthy is redistribution of wealth as well.

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Thats exactly what the Republican party has instituted, and thats exactly what Obama is pushing to destroy.  

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Oh, and Palin actually took money from the drilling companies, and gave it directly back to the people. If thats not redistribution of wealth, I want to know what is. At least if its used in tax dollars, everyone has the potential to benefit.

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I agree. It was stupid. They could have found a better way to spend it.


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  Here force failed my high fantasy; but my
desire and will were moved already-like
a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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Your fighting a loosing battle, considering giving tax breaks to the wealthy is redistribution of wealth as well.

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No giving tax breaks to the wealthy is keeping money with those who earned it. Right where it belongs.

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Thats exactly what the Republican party has instituted, and thats exactly what Obama is pushing to destroy.  

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Whats that? Capitalist America?

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Oh, and Palin actually took money from the drilling companies, and gave it directly back to the people. If thats not redistribution of wealth, I want to know what is. At least if its used in tax dollars, everyone has the potential to benefit.

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I agree. It was stupid. They could have found a better way to spend it.

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How is allowing the wealthy to pay a LOWER tax than the working class helping anything? Its making the wealthy more wealthy, and it provides them with an unfair advantage.

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Kids in the back seat can cause accidents.
Accidents in the back seat can cause kids.
Moral: Drive a two seater

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Quote: from neodymie at 12:21 am on Sep. 4, 2008

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Your fighting a loosing battle, considering giving tax breaks to the wealthy is redistribution of wealth as well.

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 No giving tax breaks to the wealthy is keeping money with those who earned it. Right where it belongs.  

 

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Thats exactly what the Republican party has instituted, and thats exactly what Obama is pushing to destroy.

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 Whats that? Capitalist America?  

 

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Oh, and Palin actually took money from the drilling companies, and gave it directly back to the people. If thats not redistribution of wealth, I want to know what is. At least if its used in tax dollars, everyone has the potential to benefit.

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 I agree. It was stupid. They could have found a better way to spend it.  
 

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How is allowing the wealthy to pay a LOWER tax than the working class helping anything? Its making the wealthy more wealthy, and it provides them with an unfair advantage.

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The wealthy of this country likely pay more a year than you even make. Why is that fair?

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desire and will were moved already-like
a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.

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Quote: from drifting at 12:47 pm on Sep. 4, 2008

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Quote: from neodymie at 12:21 am on Sep. 4, 2008

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Your fighting a loosing battle, considering giving tax breaks to the wealthy is redistribution of wealth as well.

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  No giving tax breaks to the wealthy is keeping money with those who earned it. Right where it belongs.  

 

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Thats exactly what the Republican party has instituted, and thats exactly what Obama is pushing to destroy.  

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  Whats that? Capitalist America?  

 

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Oh, and Palin actually took money from the drilling companies, and gave it directly back to the people. If thats not redistribution of wealth, I want to know what is. At least if its used in tax dollars, everyone has the potential to benefit.

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  I agree. It was stupid. They could have found a better way to spend it.  
 

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 How is allowing the wealthy to pay a LOWER tax than the working class helping anything? Its making the wealthy more wealthy, and it provides them with an unfair advantage.

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The wealthy of this country likely pay more a year than you even make. Why is that fair?

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Because its a percentage. If everyone payed the same amount, how would it be fair if Im giving say 30% of my income in taxes, but someone who is in a more lucrative industry is only giving 0.001% income. To them that money isnt even going to matter, but to me 30% of my income is more than my rent each month.

The entire way its set up is so that everyone pays the same amount out of their pocket, so it does not have a negative impact on anyone.

However, tax breaks and incentives completely break the system.

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Kids in the back seat can cause accidents.
Accidents in the back seat can cause kids.
Moral: Drive a two seater

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Because its a percentage. If everyone payed the same amount, how would it be fair if Im giving say 30% of my income in taxes, but someone who is in a more lucrative industry is only giving 0.001% income. To them that money isnt even going to matter, but to me 30% of my income is more than my rent each month.

The entire way its set up is so that everyone pays the same amount out of their pocket, so it does not have a negative impact on anyone.

However, tax breaks and incentives completely break the system.

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If it were set up so that people pay the same amount we wouldn't have tax brackets. You say that 30% is unfair for you why is it fair for someone that makes more money than you?

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  Here force failed my high fantasy; but my
desire and will were moved already-like
a wheel revolving uniformly-by
  the love that moves the sun and the other stars.