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That's why evolution is a theory, and not a fact. b/c they're no even sure, its just accepted by many b/c it seems like the most reasonable thing.
Define "theory". 
i got this from wikipedia-- "In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact"." you just helped me prove myself rite.
Actually, it proved you wrong.
You specifically stated that a theory has no basis of fact. It is true that theory =/= fact, but it does have factual evidence. And you fail to recognize that.
You did not get proven right. Sorry.
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Iguana, why are you ignoring my posts?
the example you said got me thinking about the laws of god compared to the ones man has today...
man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
A key difference compared to what?
The laws man has today are more forgiving than the ones they had in the time of Jesus.
People are rewarded for doing good. I am anyway.
but is everyone rewarded by man through every good deed you do, big or small?
Nope. And that's what should happen.
I know plenty of people who are religious who do amazing things and they are not rewarded by anyone but man.
Of course, you will argue that God is making man reward those people. I'm sure. 
not directly, but through other people and things. blessings
What do you tell the people who have never had a single prayer answered all their life? People who pray every single night, non-stop, hoping for things to get better for their life or the life of a loved one. Guess they just have to wait until they die.
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 10:52 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 10:43 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
That's why evolution is a theory, and not a fact. b/c they're no even sure, its just accepted by many b/c it seems like the most reasonable thing.
Define "theory".
i got this from wikipedia-- "In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact"." you just helped me prove myself rite.
I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed your point. How exactly does this prove you to be correct? Also, I suggest this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact Post edited at 2:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 by SpM
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man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?
what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.
If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give? I'm sensing some backwards running here.
man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example: if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 2:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?
what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.
If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give? I'm sensing some backwards running here.
man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example: if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?
Tell your God to show himself. Never going to happen. That is all he has to do to get people to believe, unfortunately he must not be too smart yet he seeks everyone to follow his ways.
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 5:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from The Raven at 2:35 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 5:33 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 10:24 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?
what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.
If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give? I'm sensing some backwards running here.
man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example: if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?
Are you so uneducated that you can't even stay on topic long enough to answer the question you just quoted?
Honestly, what you just replied with had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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Quote: from Narfle the Garthok at 6:00 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 2:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?
what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.
If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give? I'm sensing some backwards running here.
man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example: if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?
Tell your God to show himself. Never going to happen. That is all he has to do to get people to believe, unfortunately he must not be too smart yet he seeks everyone to follow his ways.
Yeah but he 'allows' free will.
That's the only argument provided for that. Ever. Which is such an easy way out.
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Quote: from Narfle the Garthok at 2:52 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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People will believe anything to just feel a little comfort to block out the real reality that they live a meaningless life and are just existing like any other creature exists.
so you can actually keep living, believing that your entire life, and everyone elses is just a mistake? that even if you changed the world, it would have no meaning b/c it would end at some point?
Never said it was a mistake. People fear death, people seek comfort, and religion is introduced. Religion fueled wars, created laws, and organized society. It is a tool of power.
a tool of power that was introduced by a greater being b/c he knew all of this would happen. human nature is to be superior, even in it's own.
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 6:01 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from Narfle the Garthok at 2:52 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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Quote: from Narfle the Garthok at 2:33 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
People will believe anything to just feel a little comfort to block out the real reality that they live a meaningless life and are just existing like any other creature exists.
so you can actually keep living, believing that your entire life, and everyone elses is just a mistake? that even if you changed the world, it would have no meaning b/c it would end at some point?
Never said it was a mistake. People fear death, people seek comfort, and religion is introduced. Religion fueled wars, created laws, and organized society. It is a tool of power.
a tool of power that was introduced by a greater being b/c he knew all of this would happen. human nature is to be superior, even in it's own.
Prove it? 
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 4:43 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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OP, don't put religion (Christianity) in opposition to science. It's not an either/or proposition. Personally, I love that science is finding out how the wondrous works of God came about.
i was waiting for some1 to make this comment.
Science, or Philosophy is man's love of knowledge.
Its obvious man wants to know how all things work, including god's work, in a way they will understand.
even i can't deny that, but you just can't explain many things through science, no matter how hard you try. That's why evolution is a theory, and not a fact. b/c they're no even sure, its just accepted by many b/c it seems like the most reasonable thing.
I'm sorry, science is reasonably sure that evolution is the way man came to be. And that the "Big Bang" is how the earth, the sun and stars were formed. But science does not exclude God from the equation any more than it includes Him. That stems from a lack of evidence for either proposition. And that's what science looks at. That does not, however make either science or religion wrong. Just because science has not explained 'everything' does not make what it has explained 'wrong'. And it doesn't make a good argument for science vs religion. I am a firm believer that they are totally compatible.
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Quote: from Narfle the Garthok at 3:00 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 2:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
Quote: from The Raven at 2:35 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 10:24 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..
The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?
what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.
If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give? I'm sensing some backwards running here.
man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example: if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?
Tell your God to show himself. Never going to happen. That is all he has to do to get people to believe, unfortunately he must not be too smart yet he seeks everyone to follow his ways.
we just go back to faith on that one.
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Quote: from SpM at 2:58 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
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Quote: from iguana hunter1 at 10:43 pm on Sep. 5, 2008
That's why evolution is a theory, and not a fact. b/c they're no even sure, its just accepted by many b/c it seems like the most reasonable thing.
Define "theory".
i got this from wikipedia-- "In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact"." you just helped me prove myself rite.
I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed your point. How exactly does this prove you to be correct? Also, I suggest this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
just leaves us back to the starting point.
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