lets just forget this, get back to our normal lives, wait until we die. if there is no God, than everything ends with us six feet under, congrats athiests....
But if there is a life after this one- i get to say

"IN YO FACE, BIIIIIITTTCHHH!!!!"

deal?

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I'm sorry, science is reasonably sure that evolution is the way man came to be. And that the "Big Bang" is how the earth, the sun and stars were formed. But science does not exclude God from the equation any more than it includes Him. That stems from a lack of evidence for either proposition. And that's what science looks at. That does not, however make either science or religion wrong.  

 Just because science has not explained 'everything' does not make what it has explained 'wrong'. And it doesn't make a good argument for science vs religion. I am a firm believer that they are totally compatible.  

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can't argue with that one.
it could be that science is a way of man explaining  
God's works..

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man will punish a man for doing wrong, but never rewards him for doing good. that is a ke difference..

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       The law does not intentionally punish the innocent. Can you say the same for God?

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      what i'm saying is that man's laws are flawed, and thats why some, even if very little people are punished for crimes they never commited. and God will punish, but only those that have lost themselves in the things of this world that way they don't forget him.

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     If God is almighty, then why are you complaining about the laws of man being 'flawed'? Why should it matter to you, if God is the ultimate deciding factor? Are his punishments not greater than anything man can give?      

     I'm sensing some backwards running here.

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    man's laws are influenced by the ones of God. also he punishes similar, but in greater magnitude of the following example:    

    if a kid starts to do something bad, like stealing, the only way he wil remember he was doing something wrong is if he is punished. true or false?

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   Tell your God to show himself.    

   Never going to happen. That is all he has to do to get people to believe, unfortunately he must not be too smart yet he seeks everyone to follow his ways.

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we just go back to faith on that one.  

 

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 Why does God need faith if he can achieve his ultimate goal just by simply revealing himself?  

 That is like telling your friends  

 "I can shoot lasers from my eyes, I just don't want to show you I can but by telling you I can is all that matters. "

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faith is believing that something is true, even if you've never seen it. he wants to see if we will really do what he asks, if he shows himself to everyone, its obvious everyone will be good.
like if you knew a thief was going to break into your house, you'd obviously prepare to do something about it.

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So why are we here then? God knows everything, he knows which ones of us are going to believe in the end, he knows which ones are going to hell, he created mass murderes, rapists, gay people and he always knew even before the universe existed that they were all going to be that. So what difference does it make? in the end nothing matters.

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So why are we here then? God knows everything, he knows which ones of us are going to believe in the end, he knows which ones are going to hell, he created mass murderes, rapists, gay people and he always knew even before the universe existed that they were all going to be that. So what difference does it make? in the end nothing matters.

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In the end is when everything does matter.

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So why are we here then? God knows everything, he knows which ones of us are going to believe in the end, he knows which ones are going to hell, he created mass murderes, rapists, gay people and he always knew even before the universe existed that they were all going to be that. So what difference does it make? in the end nothing matters.

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In the end is when everything does matter.

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How do you figure?

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So why are we here then? God knows everything, he knows which ones of us are going to believe in the end, he knows which ones are going to hell, he created mass murderes, rapists, gay people and he always knew even before the universe existed that they were all going to be that. So what difference does it make? in the end nothing matters.

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In the end is when everything does matter.

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How do you figure?

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When you die, if God doesn't exist, you're dead. If He does exist, judgment occurs. What could matter more than that?

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When you die, if God doesn't exist, you're dead. If He does exist, judgment occurs. What could matter more than that?

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What judgment? You were judged before you were born, God himself knew whether you were going to heaven or hell. I wonder how does he even get to choose what to do, he knows his own future.

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When you die, if God doesn't exist, you're dead. If He does exist, judgment occurs. What could matter more than that?

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What judgment? You were judged before you were born, God himself knew whether you were going to heaven or hell. I wonder how does he even get to choose what to do, he knows his own future.

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You don't understand the concept of 'free will' apparently. And no, I'm not going to attempt to explain it. It seems to be something that one either does or does not get.

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you won't explain it because you can't explain it without using crappy logic

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When you die, if God doesn't exist, you're dead. If He does exist, judgment occurs. What could matter more than that?

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What judgment? You were judged before you were born, God himself knew whether you were going to heaven or hell. I wonder how does he even get to choose what to do, he knows his own future.

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You don't understand the concept of 'free will' apparently. And no, I'm not going to attempt to explain it. It seems to be something that one either does or does not get.

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you won't explain it because you can't explain it without using crappy logic

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When you die, if God doesn't exist, you're dead. If He does exist, judgment occurs. What could matter more than that?

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What judgment? You were judged before you were born, God himself knew whether you were going to heaven or hell. I wonder how does he even get to choose what to do, he knows his own future.

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You don't understand the concept of 'free will' apparently. And no, I'm not going to attempt to explain it. It seems to be something that one either does or does not get.

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you won't explain it because you can't explain it without using crappy logic

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No, it's because I've seen those with good explanations try and the idiots still don't get it. It has nothing to do with 'crappy logic', it has to do with the lack of intelligence on the part of closed minded individuals.

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coug hypocrite cough

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