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Replies: 20Last Post Sep. 7, 2008 4:37pm by Elm
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( JohnTheNormalOne )


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With the on-going automation of everything (using robots, computers, etc.) there are less and less work places. But there are more and more people. And that's quite a bad combination. So what do you think will happen with human society?? If we don't do something about it, it will cause massive unemployment which would be devastating for millions of people. So I guess some change is needed in the whole work-your-ass-off-to-get-money-to-live approach. Any ideas??

I posted a similar topic recently, but this time I'd like to focus on this question only.

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I've been looking for a job
for about 2 months.

Still nothing.


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Thank god I have a job, even if it is shit

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Quote: from xJosex at 3:38 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

I've been looking for a job  
for about 2 months.

Still nothing.


well you're just not applying to enough places, i bet you're avoiding applying at certain places cause you dont want to work there, but if you really needed a job you could get one.

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Quote: from xJosex at 6:38 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

I've been looking for a job  
for about 2 months.

Still nothing.


dude didnt you get a job

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Quote: from Skip at 6:42 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

Quote: from xJosex at 6:38 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

I've been looking for a job
 for about 2 months.  

 Still nothing.


dude didnt you get a job

I thought i did.


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Quote: from xJosex at 6:42 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

Quote: from Skip at 6:42 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

Quote: from xJosex at 6:38 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

I've been looking for a job    
  for about 2 months.

  Still nothing.


dude didnt you get a job

I thought i did.


lmao

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Just for the note: stuff you ppl wrote has nothing to do with the original post. Is anyone going to answer the original post?

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Quote: from JohnTheNormalOne at 6:49 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

Just for the note: stuff you ppl wrote has nothing to do with the original post. Is anyone going to answer the original post?
nope

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America is now a service based society. It will just become more and more like that.

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Quote: from neodymie at 12:35 am on Sep. 6, 2008

America is now a service based society. It will just become more and more like that.


Even some services have started becoming automated.  Ever been to Fred Meyer and seen those self check out machines they have?  Over time, they're going to get rid of those guys who check out all your items and have you do it yourself and all those guys who are laid off will now need to find a new job.  Generally, though, the more education a service job requires, the less likely it is to become obsolete.

Fact is, though, with new technology comes people who need to maintain it, people who will design, produce, and improve it, people who will distribute it, etc.  High tech industries which design those things would have a huge boom and greater demand for labor.  While you'll see unemployment rates increase at first, society will adapt over time.

The same type of thing often works for outsourcing, too.  A production job is outsourced, and in its place, a service job is created.  Thing is, those jobs usually require more education, which can be troublesome on many without the means to go back to college.  So it's really a toss up.


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Quote: from Bud2400 at 1:18 am on Sep. 6, 2008

Quote: from neodymie at 12:35 am on Sep. 6, 2008

America is now a service based society. It will just become more and more like that.

 
Even some services have started becoming automated. Ever been to Fred Meyer and seen those self check out machines they have? Over time, they're going to get rid of those guys who check out all your items and have you do it yourself and all those guys who are laid off will now need to find a new job. Generally, though, the more education a service job requires, the less likely it is to become obsolete.

Fact is, though, with new technology comes people who need to maintain it, people who will design, produce, and improve it, people who will distribute it, etc. High tech industries which design those things would have a huge boom and greater demand for labor. While you'll see unemployment rates increase at first, society will adapt over time.

The same type of thing often works for outsourcing, too. A production job is outsourced, and in its place, a service job is created. Thing is, those jobs usually require more education, which can be troublesome on many without the means to go back to college. So it's really a toss up.


Definitely. It will almost always take people to fix said machines and such though.

I would think that by the time we get to a point where machines do all the work we wouldn't really need jobs anymore... A machine does everything but the machines wouldn't have interest in the fruit of their labors so they just give it to us.

Here's to wishful thinking ;)

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Socialism in which everyone can have a job and has to work less.  So instead of having to work 5 days a week 8 hours a day you could be able to work half as much.  That would give others work and people more free time to do things they like other than work.

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Quote: from JohnTheNormalOne at 3:37 pm on Sep. 5, 2008

With the on-going automation of everything (using robots, computers, etc.) there are less and less work places. But there are more and more people. And that's quite a bad combination. So what do you think will happen with human society?? If we don't do something about it, it will cause massive unemployment which would be devastating for millions of people. So I guess some change is needed in the whole work-your-ass-off-to-get-money-to-live approach. Any ideas??

I posted a similar topic recently, but this time I'd like to focus on this question only.


Thats not a real issue, as production related jobs decline service related jobs increase.  We didn't have "wedding coordinators" thirty years ago and now we do - as just one example.

We've been automating since the early twentieth century and we haven't had a spike in unemployment related to it so I see no reason to expect one.  It just means the jobs will switch types and people will need to adapt and retrain if they want jobs in the growing service sector.


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Quote: from dragonking at 7:30 am on Sep. 6, 2008

Socialism in which everyone can have a job and has to work less. So instead of having to work 5 days a week 8 hours a day you could be able to work half as much. That would give others work and people more free time to do things they like other than work.

Meh, answer the question instead of spouting socialist crap.

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