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This is what the American Anthropology association says

http://www.understandingrace.com/home.html

http://www.understandingrace.com/humvar/index.html

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Anthropologist of the 19th century did. Most anthropologist in the 21st no longer use that term.

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No but at least this does NOT pretend to be scientific.

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How will you KNOW he is one?

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I usually ASK before labeling ppl. I know THAT much being mixed myself.

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Sure but they made sure MOST blacks were slaves because it was EASIER to keep track of them. That fact is documented and I gave you links on it.

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Still a racist law.

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Since they wre based on race they were racist laws.

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still racist law.

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Still based on race and double standard.

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From your data

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From table 42
Fist number is white vitims
Second number is black victim

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Right there you see there is a 2% higher chance for a Black to attack a White than vice-versa.

Now, I will make a list of crimes where Blacks attack Whites more than Whites attack Blacks:
* Completed Violence
* Rape/Sexual assault
* Robbery
* Robbery > Completed/property taken
* Robbery > With Injury
* Robbery > Without Injury
* Robbery > Attempted to take property
* Robbery > Attempted to take property > With Injury
* Robbery > Attempted to take property > Without Injury
* Assault > Simple

The other way around (Whites attack Blacks more:
* Attempted/threatened violence
* Assault
* Aggravated Assault (Although less cases of White on Black Aggravated Assault cases happened compared to Black on White, the percentage was slightly higher)

Did the chart confuse you? Only 3 cases fit with your claim, one of them having less White on Black than vice-versa.

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Over and over the stats show 60 to 70% of violent crimes by whites are committed on whites. 60 to 70% or cviolent crimes committed by blacks are done on blacks. About 10 to 20% of those crimes CROSS the race boundary BOTH ways.

The only crime that crosses race boundary BOTH ways for more than 20% is "attempt to take property".

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http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dc0mayjjcye" target="_top">http://http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dc0mayjjcye
Here's a screeny:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm" target="_top">http://http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
You can check to see if I changed the stats, or if I made some sort of mistake on the math.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Negro doesn't pretend to be scientific either.

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"Negro" is the term given to one of the Negroid race - what you would call a "Black person"

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I won't, but it's not hard to figure out

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 I can easily distinguish people of different race .

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They took Negroes as slaves, but if the Negro was free it's not like it was legal for them to be taken and used as slaves.

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1640-1660: The Critical Period: Custom to Law when Status Changed to "Servant for Life"  
1639/40 -- Blacks excluded from the requirement of possessing arms.  
1642 -- Black women counted as tithables (taxable).  
1662 -- Possibility of life servitude for Blacks.  
1660-1680: Slave Laws Further Restrict Freedom of Blacks and Legalize Different Treatment for Blacks and Whites  
1667 -- Baptism does not bring freedom to Blacks.  
1669 -- An about the "casual killing of slaves" establishing that "if any slave resist his master and by the extremity of the correction should chance to die, that his death not be accompted Felony."  
1670 -- Servant for life: the "normal" condition judged for Blacks.  
1670 -- Forbade free Blacks and Native Americans, "though baptised," to own Christian servants.  
1680-1705: Slave Laws Reflect racism and the Deliberate Separation of Blacks and Whites. Color becomes the Determining Factor. Conscious Efforts to Police Slave Conduct Rigidly.  
1680 -- Prescription of thirty lashes on the bare back "if any negroe or other slave shall presume to lift up his hand against any Christian."  
1680's -- Development of a separate legal code providing distinct trial procedures and harsher punishments for negroes.  
1680's -- Status of the child is determined by the status or condition of the mother.  
1680's -- Severe punishment for slaves who leave their master's property or for hiding or resisting capture.  
1691 -- Banishment for any white person married to a negroe or mulatto and approved a systematic plan to capture "outlying slaves."  
1705 -- All negroe, mulatto, and Indian slaves shall be held, taken, and adjudged to be real estate.  
1705 -- Dismemberment of unruly slaves was made legal.  

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 They were based on class - slaves of ALL RACES would've been reprimanded for leaving.

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 Look at the above list. There were sperate laws for negroes and whites. And they ensure that negroes could be de facto slaves.  

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 Negro womens children to serve according to the condition of the mother.

WHEREAS some doubts have arrisen whether children got by any Englishman upon a Negro woman should be slave or free, Be it therefore enacted and declared by this present grand assembly, that all children borne in this country shalbe held bond or free only according to the condition of the mother, And that if any christian shall committ ffornication with a Negro man or woman, hee or shee soe offending shall pay double the ffines imposed by the former act

Be it Therefore Enacted, by the right honourable the Lord Proprietary, by and with the advice and consent of his Lordship's Governor, and the Upper and Lower Houses of Assembly, and by the authority of the same, That from and after the end of this present session of assembly, no Negro or mulatto slave, free Negro, or mulatto born of a white woman, during his time of servitude by law, or any Indian slave, or free Indian natives, of this or the neighbouring provinces, be admitted and received as good and valid evidence in law[/b, in any matter or thing whatsoever depending before any court of record, or before any magistrate within this province, wherein any christian white person is concerned

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http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awlaw3/slavery.html

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Again, slave isn't a race.

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Fuck it, let's just take all immigration laws off! EVERYONE CAN COME IN!!!  

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 Well, no shit more Negroes have crime against them - Negroes kill each other more than they kill Whites. Whites kill each other more than they kill Negroes.

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In 13% of crimes against Whites, Blacks are the OFFENDERS.  
In 11.5% of crimes against Blacks, Whites are the OFFENDERS.  

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Right there you see there is a 2% higher chance for a Black to attack a White than vice-versa.

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Uh-huh and thats WAY MORE? I dont see whites being TARGETED by blacks in htse stats. All I see is that sure on the average blacks are more likely to be part of a crime than whites in general. We already admitted that anyway.

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Now, I will make a list of crimes where Blacks attack Whites more than Whites attack

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Blacks they attack "more" because they are more likely to be involved in acrime ANYWAY. But they attack OTHER blacks in WAY GREATER numbers.  

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Did the chart confuse you?

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Again your claim failed totally.  

 

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Well, we all know more crime is White-White or Black-Black than White-Black or Black-White...

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Negroes tend to want to kill Whites more than Whites tend to kill Negroes.  

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In case you are confused I basically killed your claim in the butt. If blacks WANTED TO kill whites then they would go after whites MORE than after other blacks.

Post edited at 12:55 am on Oct. 23, 2008 by jakelong

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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No but YOU pretend it has a scientifc basis.

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You said "if he is a mongol I will call him a mongol" HOW do you know he is one WITHOUT a genetic test since you pretend that it has a genetic basis.  

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YOU have DNA test kit in your eyes? You can tell what is the DNA makeup of someone just by looking at them?

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Most slavery laws were based on race and therefore racist

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http://www.history.org/History/teaching/slavelaw.cfm

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 Look at the above list. There were sperate laws for negroes and whites. And they ensure that negroes could be de facto slaves.

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 By the 18th century slavery status was largely BASED on race by many states in the US, expecially in the south.

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Irrelevant, :wink" (see I can do that too). It's STILL BASED ON RACE and therfore RACIST.  

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 Thats the main point and you missed it unil now.

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Uh-huh and thats WAY MORE? I dont see whites being TARGETED by blacks in htse stats. All I see is that sure on the average blacks are more likely to be part of a crime than whites in general. We already admitted that anyway.

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What about rape? They rape the first person they see, or is there some sort of basis on who they rape?

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Blacks they attack "more" because they are more likely to be involved in acrime ANYWAY. But they attack OTHER blacks in WAY GREATER numbers.

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More like YOU confuse correlation with causation again. More like you are confused with the fact that blacks are more likely than whites to be involved in crimes in general anyway and TARGET OTHER BLACKS on a rate of 70 % against blacks vs 30% against whites.  

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Blacks are more likely to attack Whites than Whites to attack Blacks.

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Again your claim failed totally.  

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Therefore the stats you spew CANNOT be used to make any claim that

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In case you are confused I basically killed your claim in the butt. If blacks WANTED TO kill whites then they would go after whites MORE than after other blacks.

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Blacks are over 20 times more likely to rob a White than vice versa.

Blacks are almost 8 times more likely to attempt to take property from a White than vice versa

Blacks are over 4.5 times more likely to assault a White than vice versa. 2 times more likely with aggravated assault - 6 times with simple assault.

To top it all off: Blacks are SEVEN TIMES MORE LIKELY to commit completed violence (as opposed to attempts and threats) on Whites than Whites on Blacks.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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It was created before the term "Negroid," which was the scientific word for their race.

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By looking at him

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Is it that difficult for you to know what race someone is by looking at them?

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. In that case, the United Negro College Fund would be racist, many scholarships, this forum itself, a lot of history and anthropology, NAACP, and more.

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Got any names of the people that MADE the laws?

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 Negroes weren't meant for anything but labor.

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The Americans viewed the USA as White land for Whites.

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The founding fathers viewed the US as land for WHITE MALE RICH LAND OWNERS.

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But there were still White slaves.

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 That's common knowledge, but they STILL commit more crimes against Whites than vice versa.

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 Negroes are 5.8 times MORE LIKELY to commit violent crime against Whites than vice-versa.

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Blacks are more likely to attack Whites than Whites to attack Blacks.

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No, yours did.

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That claim had NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime.

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Blacks are over 1000 times more likely to commit rape/sexual assault on a White than vice versa (the stat can range from over 10,000 times more likely to 1,000 times. This is because less than 10 cases of White-on-Black rape has happened in 2006, as opposed to 32,000 cases of Black-on-White).

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At worst all your stats is what they are "more likely" in probability to do. It does not say WHY do it and It does NOT say they DO IT 10,000 more.

So yeah as I said you FAIL.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Yeah and you can also use the science of the 11th century to claim the sun revolve around the earth and use old terms to justify that.

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Negroid has the same meaning as Congoid, one is just viewed as more "appropriate".

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Didn't you say that looks alone are not enough. You forgot about the whites with 60% nonwhite genes?

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You got difficulty realizing that PHENOTYPE=/= RACE? I thought you repeated that over and over.I thought you understood that by now. Guess that didn't sink in your little brain yet.

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Some ppl claim that yeah.

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What does that matter?

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Says who.

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Sources please.

The founding fathers viewed the US as land for WHITE MALE RICH LAND OWNERS.

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No longer by the late 18th century 19th century.

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First those crimes are general crimes, not HATE crimes. Second those crimes are because there are more blacks committing crimes anyway so its not INTENDED specially against whites.

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Source? And if the numbers are true it points to PROBABILITY NOT FACT. And it does NOT show that they "WANT TO" kill whites more than vice versa.

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Now, according to the US Department of Justice, in 2006 there were 3,699,360 crimes of violence against Whites. 13% were committed by Blacks. 3699360*0.13=480917.
They also said that there were 719,880 crimes of violence against Blacks, 11.5% being by Whites. 719880*0.115=82786.

Compare 480917 and 82786.
You will see that Black on White violent crimes are 5.8 times MORE NUMEROUS than White on Black.

Now, you do know how Whites are 66% of the USA while Negroes are 13.4%.

That makes 198.1 million Whites and 40.9 million Negroes.

With that, you see that 1.176% of Negroes commit a violent crime against Whites  (implying that each crime was by one negro who never committed another crime).

The same can be done for Whites - (damn, had to break out my graphing calculator for this, kept getting too many numbers in the calc) 0.0418% of Whites commit a violent crime against Negroes.

Looking at this, I decided to do some MORE math.
I divided the Black percentage by the White and got 28.13

There you go Jakelong - good thing you caught my 5.8% number!

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Again all that shows is probability not fact

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My claim worked fine. You FAILED to show that blacks WANT TO

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That claim tried to spread the idea that Blacks WANT TO kill whites.

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You base 10,000 on 10 cases? That pretty lame.

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At worst all your stats is what they are "more likely" in probability to do.

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It does not say WHY do it

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and It does NOT say they DO IT 10,000 more.

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That can mean 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9. Because there is no definite number, I used a range - the possibility of 1 rape would make it 32,000 times more likely and the possibility of 9 (the largest) would make it 3556 times more common.

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So yeah as I said you FAIL.

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Excuse me Jakelong, but you failed to prove that race wasn't their motive.

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AS I showee. most hate crimes are AGAINST blacks on a rate of 3 to 1 vs hate crimes against whites.

So all it proved is that whites are killed by blacks more than blacks by whites. but NOWHERE it says WHY. You want possible reasons?

- More blacks are involved in crimes than whites. They tend to kill OTHER blacks more but when ppl are involved in a crime they have a high possibilty of harming someone whether they want it or not

- The fact that blacks tend to kill WAY MORE blacks anyway shows they usually do their crimes in their OWN community.

They don't even bother going to a white community EVEN THOUGH when you really think about it if they wanted to get more money they would go more to the white area. But they don't. They burglarize OTHER blacks. They kill OTHER blacks They attack OTHER blacks. That shows they are NOT INTERESTED in harming whites even though thats where the money really is.

- More blacks are victims of HATE CRIMES than whites. It shows clearly that ppl are more interested in ATTACKING blacks BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE than the other way around,


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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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No YOU fail to prove that it WAS.

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AS I showee. most hate crimes are AGAINST blacks on a rate of 3 to 1 vs hate crimes against whites.

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So all it proved is that whites are killed by blacks more than blacks by whites. but NOWHERE it says WHY. You want possible reasons?

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- More blacks are involved in crimes than whites. They tend to kill OTHER blacks more but when ppl are involved in a crime they have a high possibilty of harming someone whether they want it or not

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- The fact that blacks tend to kill WAY MORE blacks anyway shows they usually do their crimes in their OWN community.

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They don't even bother going to a white community EVEN THOUGH when you really think about it if they wanted to get more money they would go more to the white area. But they don't.

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- More blacks are victims of HATE CRIMES than whites. It shows clearly that ppl are more interested in ATTACKING blacks BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE than the other way around,

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I called it my GUESS

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 I'm talking about interracial crime.

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Sure, but there are only POSSIBLE reasons - no real evidence either way.

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What about rape?

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It WOULD be the same though.

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Negroes "pop up" when Whites are committing violent crime.

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If anything else it shows that blacks are WAY LESS interested in attacking whites than they really would be expected to.

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Actually, almost 36% of property taken against Whites is by Blacks, ONLY 6% LESS than the White number against fellow Whites.

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Well, who is it up to to decide if it was hate oriented?

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Law enforcement agencies reported 4,863 offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender's racial bias.   Among those offenses, 67.5 percent resulted from an anti-black bias, and 20.5 percent were due to an anti-white bias.   Slightly more than 5 percent (5.2) of racially motivated incidents were driven by an anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias, 2.0 percent involved a bias against American Indian or Alaskan Native races, and 4.8 percent were directed at groups of individuals in which more than one race was represented (multiple races, group).

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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/section1.htm

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Of the 1,480 reported offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender's religious bias, 67.8 percent were anti-Jewish, 13.0 percent were anti-Islamic, 3.9 percent were anti-Catholic, 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant, and 0.5 percent were anti-Atheism or Agnosticism. Bias against other (unspecified) religions accounted for 9.5 percent of the hate crime offenses motivated by religious bias, and bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group) accounted for 2.5 percent.

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Law enforcement agencies identified 7,145 known offenders in 7,649 bias-motivated incidents. (See Table 1.) Of the known offenders, 60.6 percent were white and 19.7 percent were black. Groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group) accounted for 5.1 percent of known offenders. Persons whom law enforcement identified as Asian or Pacific Islanders made up 1.0 percent, and American Indian or Alaskan Natives comprised 0.7 percent of known offenders. Nearly 13 percent (12.9) of known offenders were of an unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)

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That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Oh its a GUESS!!! Oh yeah that is a great proof.

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Which do NOT prove their real motive.

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Rape motives are so off the wall that its even harder to tell or get any info from that. Theres no way to tell WHY ppl rape but most of the time its not even something ppl plan.

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The same as what?

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Its to be expected that more poor ppl go where the rich ppl are to get their money than vice-versa. What IS strange is that instead they MOSTLY target other ppl ppl like them. So it has more to do with where they are.

If anything else it shows that blacks are WAY LESS interested in attacking whites than they really would be expected to.

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And that is not because black ppl are MORE LIKELY to be poorer than whites?

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Cops who are sually white..

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And its funny that you use second-hand sources for your stats insteead of FBI 2004 data.

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offenders, 60.6 percent were white and 19.7 percent were black

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Well, at least you can see that the 60.6% (74% of the US population) and 19.7% (13.4% of the US population) aren't equal.

For it to be equal, 11% of offenders would have to be Black (if the 60.6% didn't change) or 109% of offenders would have to be White - which is impossible.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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Then all of the 30,000 rapes weren't planned?

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Who expects them to do how much and how much do they expect them to do? I wasn't surprised by the stats.

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It could be - but why the rapes? Are Whites more attractive or do they find Negroes unattractive?

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The police don't choose this - it's in court.

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Well, at least you can see that the 60.6% (74% of the US population) and 19.7% (13.4% of the US population) aren't equal.

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What part of MOST OF THE TIME you don't understand?

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Expected compared to the fact that whites are MORE LIKELY to be richer so would be a GREATER target. But they are not.

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As I said rapes are more emotional/personal things so tthey fall off the wall. Might well ask why men rape girls more than the other way around.

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LAW ENFORCEMENT refers to cops.

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"equal" in what way? What is shows that the stats show that your MOTIVE claim isn't there.

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Now, I'm saying that, given the stats, it's more likely for a Negro to commit a hate crime than a White - but more hate crimes have been committed AGAINST Negroes BECAUSE Whites are a larger portion of the population.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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I'm sure MOST OF THE TIME that they chose who to rape.

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But I thought there were more Whites on welfare...

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And as you know MORE LIKELY =/= SURELY.

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Seriously Jakelong, if you don't think any of those rapes were planned...

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What do you really mean by "planned"? You mean 2 months in advance? 2 weeks? 2 days? 2 hours? 2 minutes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_rape

BTW most rapes are on ppl that are KNOWN to the rapist. The interracial rapes are prolly more bcause of lust, opportuinity etc...

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I assume the Judge does, but I don't know for sure.

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LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER - An employee, the duties of whose position are primarily the prevention, investigation, apprehension, or detention of individuals suspected or convicted of offenses against the criminal laws, including an employee engaged in this activity who is transferred to a supervisory or administrative position; or serving as a probation or pretrial services officer.

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http://www.lectlaw.com/def/l008.htm
 

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more hate crimes have been committed AGAINST Negroes BECAUSE Whites are a larger portion of the population.

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Again that YOUR opinion. Not proven fact.

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And as you know MORE LIKELY =/= SURELY.

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What makes YOU so sure they were?

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What do you really mean by "planned"? You mean 2 months in advance? 2 weeks? 2 days? 2 hours? 2 minutes?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_rape

BTW most rapes are on ppl that are KNOWN to the rapist. The interracial rapes are prolly more bcause of lust, opportuinity etc...

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Nope. A judge does law INTERPRETATION.

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Blacks might be MORE LIKELY to be arrested thats for sure. As usual.

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How many rapes, out of 30,000, do you think were planned? A number please.

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Because there were THIRTY THOUSAND. I'm 100% sure that OVER 10 were planned.

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They knew who they were going to rape BEFORE starting the act.

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Why don't Whites rape Blacks?

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So a police officer sees if it was Race related, writes it down, and that NEVER gets challenged?

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP