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i'd say  
the same thing about women and their periods

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ur thinking of mood swings

i'm talking about man's inability to stop thinking about other people

Quote: from Acid World at 7:59 pm on Oct. 8, 2008

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Females have the hormonal issues.
Don't act like women don't enjoy sex.
You're capable of cheating for some sweaty latino that'll whisper to you in spanish as he fucks you.

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We can't really expect women to admit things that have something to do with their sexuality but reality is that women enjoy sex and in the end they have greater sexual capabilities to enjoy sex MORE THAN MEN.  Women cheat for all kinds of reasons just like men.  

And yes, men built this society.  

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Anon,
You sound a bit insecure here. Don't tell me you don't flip through a magazine and see David Bekham, Brad Pitt, etc. In undies and quickly flip the page disgusted, YEAH FUCKING RIGHT! Is he going to cheat with a picture? Are you going to cheat with a picture?

Quote: from Acid World at 7:59 pm on Oct. 8, 2008

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Females have the hormonal issues.  
 Don't act like women don't enjoy sex.  
 You're capable of cheating for some sweaty latino that'll whisper to you in spanish as he fucks you.

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We can't really expect women to admit things that have something to do with their sexuality but reality is that women enjoy sex and in the end they have greater sexual capabilities to enjoy sex MORE THAN MEN. Women cheat for all kinds of reasons just like men.

And yes, men built this society.

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like i stated above, women definately can enjoy sex.....duh. i never stated otherwise.

and i also never said that men didn't build this society. i DID, however, say that they completely screwed the society over. an then i noted that him saying that was very off subject

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the weird thing about me is: i might feel initial butterflies or something from looking at a pick of a cute guy

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What if he is also getting butterflies by looking at the pics? Calm down.  Unless he cheats with the pic which I find quite difficult.

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like i stated above, women definately can enjoy sex.....duh. i never stated otherwise.

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Had to remind you because girls have a hard time admitting pretty much anything related with sex (lusting, drooling over guys, masturbating, watching porn, etc.).  Girls will normally lie about it and deny it "Oh, I would never dare myself to do sucha terrible thing, no way! Eeeeewww! Yuck!" uh huh, sure.  Not only do women enjoy sex but have it waaaaaaaay better than men when it comes to sex.  

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and i also never said that men didn't build this society

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Wow! I thought you were going to discuss that but yeah, men build society.  Just look around and 99.9% of everything you see, I can assure you it is there thanks to men (the streets where we ride our cars, the sidewalks where we walk, the buildings we see, our very own house, the computer we are using, the electricity we use, and so on.  It's good you agree .

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i DID, however, say that they completely screwed the society over

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Guys are so terrible, huh? How about women?

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the weird thing about me is: i might feel initial butterflies or something from looking at a pick of a cute guy

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What if he is also getting butterflies by looking at the pics? Calm down. Unless he cheats with the pic which I find quite difficult.

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like i stated above, women definately can enjoy sex.....duh. i never stated otherwise.  

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Had to remind you because girls have a hard time admitting pretty much anything related with sex (lusting, drooling over guys, masturbating, watching porn, etc.). Girls will normally lie about it and deny it "Oh, I would never dare myself to do sucha terrible thing, no way! Eeeeewww! Yuck!" uh huh, sure. Not only do women enjoy sex but have it waaaaaaaay better than men when it comes to sex.

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and i also never said that men didn't build this society

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Wow! I thought you were going to discuss that but yeah, men build society. Just look around and 99.9% of everything you see, I can assure you it is there thanks to men (the streets where we ride our cars, the sidewalks where we walk, the buildings we see, our very own house, the computer we are using, the electricity we use, and so on. It's good you agree .

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i DID, however, say that they completely screwed the society over

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Guys are so terrible, huh? How about women?

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actually women dont have it better when it comes to sex. the first few times hurts like hell, we are the ones who have to worry about getting pregnant, sex hurts the hell out of us if we are not physically ready at the moment, and when we go through menopause, once again it really hurts to have sex. so yea sex can be enjoyable for us, but a lot of the time it's painful. oh and have you ever heard of the many women who never experience an orgasm? there are many women who admit they fake it. it's way more common that a woman will never experience an orgasm than men.

so women have it better? i personally believe differently

aaaanyway, with that aside...i'm being truthful about what i said about myself. it's just the way i am. plus this is the internet AND i'm under the anonymous feature....why would i be so worried about hiding it if there's no possible way that u even know me?

"Wow! I thought you were going to discuss that but yeah, men build society.  Just look around and 99.9% of everything you see, I can assure you it is there thanks to men (the streets where we ride our cars, the sidewalks where we walk, the buildings we see, our very own house, the computer we are using, the electricity we use, and so on.  It's good you agree " oh jeez another ignorant sexist.

*sigh* ok listen. the only reason that everything around us is here "thanks to men" is because they never LET women have anything to do with it. women are STILL to this day fighting for equal rights in government and stuff. so those centuries of man-invented things is only man-invented because men for centuries have been put forth as leaders and women forced to be the food-cooking-child-producing-thing to have sex with. women weren't even allowed to go to school. men asserted a very negative nature for themselves to form a society were only they are in charge. and guess what they screwed many things over. yes they invented a lot of things. but did you know that most men that were known for inventing a certain object actually stole the idea from someone else and claimed it as their own recieving al the credit and money for it, with no way for the real inventor to claim what's rightfully his? so yes man may have invented a lot of things. but man also cheated and lied and stole his way to success. why? cus they're human. and humans suck, generally.

do some research and you might find out about the few and sparse women in history who had authoitive roles or were inventors and scientists. all of them were brilliant, just like the men who had the same occupations. women were just rarer because of the society men corruptively built

my point is that man may have invented all this crap but women could have done it too, if they were given the chance. women throughout recent times have proven their equal capabilities.

i hope you see my point now

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he admits its a sexual react

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As guys we are supposed to admit. You, as a girl, are supposed to lie about it and deny it. It's just one of those many dumb society rules among many others.

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actually women dont have it better when it comes to sex. the first few times hurts like hell, we are the ones who have to worry about getting pregnant

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Yes women do have it better: longer orgasms, more intense orgasms, multiple orgasms, more erogeneous zones in your body, no worries about finishing too soon or too long (guys can't finish too soon or they will be make fun of, look bad, etc.), you can keep going and going but a guy needs some time to rest after the first orgasm (refractory period), you have a little organ who's exclusive purpose is SEXUAL PLEASURE (the clitoris) we guys don't have such thing, etc.

Pregnancy? Guys have it bad. If we want the kid and you don't then too bad, you can kill it (abortion) and that's the end of the story. Pregnant and we don't want the baby but you do? Too bad, we will be your slaves sending you our salary every month or go to jail. So we guys have no choice one way or the other.  

Many women use pregnancy for their own good too.  Not only do they get a monthly check from the father of the child but they also get one from the government.  So you have some women spread their legs or bend over, get pregnant, and spit babies out like watermelon seeds for their extra paychecks.  Pretty bad situation for the children.

Also, we have those who throw themselves with rich guys and try to get pregnant to get the whole package: house, car, furniture, etc.  and the big fat paycheck.

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*sigh* ok listen. the only reason that everything around us is here "thanks to men" is because they never LET women have anything to do with it

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Another ignorant sexist. There's a difference between letting women do something and knowing they are not capable. Put it this way. Imagine a guy is moving out and his little brother/sister (lets say 5 years old) tells him "can I help?" and he knows very well they can't carry anything heavy and so on. So if he goes "Aaaaaw thank you but why don't you go outside to play with your toys instead?" it doesnt' make him mean. He just knows the kid can't offer the same results, so instead, to be more productive, he calls other GUYS to help. See what I mean? Same thing with women. If I was moving out or needed to do some home improvement I would never choose a girl over a guy, simple logic. If I was in the military and had to choose between having 2 girlies go with me or two 200+ guys with me its smart and logical to pick the two 200+ guys to go with me instead of 2 girlies and so on.

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women are STILL to this day fighting for equal rights in government and stuff.

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Funny thing is that women fighting for equal rights is so hypocritical. Equal rights? Sure! Let's have women start doing things do as well: proposing for marriage with speech to both families and a big ass expensive ring. Let's have women forget about the so called "ladies night" they always enjoy when clubbing or going to bars. Let's have ladies forget about snatching everything away in divorces from their exhusband and forget alimony bullshit and receiving a monthly check from the exhusband. Let's forget the whole "ladies first" stuff. I can keep going and going. See, women want MORE RIGHTS but they dont' want to give theirs to men. So, where is such equality women want?

Sure, there are some women out there in history who invented a thing or two.

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that man may have invented all this crap but women could have done it too,

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Could have, would have, what if, etc. The fact is that they didn't, period. Women simply can't offer the same when it comes to physical duties. Just look at a women's bone and muscle structure compared to men. Just compare the best female athlete with the best male athlete. It's just not the same.

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i hope you see my point now  

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Sure, you brought some interesting points.

Cheers!

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he admits its a sexual react
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As guys we are supposed to admit. You, as a girl, are supposed to lie about it and deny it. It's just one of those many dumb society rules among many others.

 
actually women dont have it better when it comes to sex. the first few times hurts like hell, we are the ones who have to worry about getting pregnant
 

Yes women do have it better: longer orgasms, more intense orgasms, multiple orgasms, more erogeneous zones in your body, no worries about finishing too soon or too long (guys can't finish too soon or they will be make fun of, look bad, etc.), you can keep going and going but a guy needs some time to rest after the first orgasm (refractory period), you have a little organ who's exclusive purpose is SEXUAL PLEASURE (the clitoris) we guys don't have such thing, etc.

Pregnancy? Guys have it bad. If we want the kid and you don't then too bad, you can kill it (abortion) and that's the end of the story. Pregnant and we don't want the baby? Too bad, we will be your slaves sending you our salary every month or go to jail. So we guys have no choice one way or the other.

 
*sigh* ok listen. the only reason that everything around us is here "thanks to men" is because they never LET women have anything to do with it
 

Another ignorant sexist. There's a difference between letting women do something and knowing they are not capable. Put it this way. Imagine a guy is moving out and his little brother/sister (lets say 5 years old) tells him "can I help?" and he knows very well they can't carry anything heavy and so on. So if he goes "Aaaaaw thank you but why don't you go outside to play with your toys instead?" it doesnt' make you mean. You just know they can't offer the same results if they helped him move so instead, to be more productive, he calls other GUYS to help. See what I mean?

 
women are STILL to this day fighting for equal rights in government and stuff.
 

Funny thing is that women fighting for equal rights is so hypocritical. Equal rights? Sure! Let's have women start doing things do as well: proposing for marriage with speech to both families and a big ass expensive ring. Let's have women forget about the so called "ladies night" they always enjoy when clubbing or going to bars. Let's have ladies forget about snatching everything away in divorces from their exhusband and forget alimony bullshit and receiving a monthly check from the exhusband. Let's forget the whole "ladies first" stuff. I can keep going and going. See, women want MORE RIGHTS but they dont' want to give theirs to men. So, where is such equality women want?

Sure, there are some women out there in history who invented a thing or two.

 
that man may have invented all this crap but women could have done it too,
 

Could have, would have, what if, etc. The fact is that they didn't, period. Women simply can't offer the same when it comes to physical duties. Just look at a women's bone and muscle structure compared to men. Just compare the best female athlete with the best male athlete. It's just not the same.

 
i hope you see my point now  
 

Sure, you brought some interesting points.

Cheers!

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ok fine then lets agree that both sexes EQUALLY have it bad whe it comes to sex. where the woman has a plus, the man has a minus. where the man has a plus, the woman has a minus.

but besides that: "Pregnant and we don't want the baby? Too bad, we will be your slaves sending you our salary every month or go to jail.  So we guys have no choice one way or the other."

wow. just wow. and you're trying to defend guys right now?

anyway, that subject is finished

have you not read my whole post? did your insufficient brain not comprehend it all? i guess not. but i mentioned to you how many women have PROVEN our sex capable of just as much stuff as men. and we dont have all that pesky testosterone getting in the way, either. the fact that you say we are not capable is blatantly ignoring historic fact and in doings so, proven your ignorance and/or stupidity.

"proposing for marriage with speech to both families and a big ass expensive ring."

umm, son, this is year 2008. we're slowly but surely getting OUT of the sexism. many couples dont even do that anymore. and SOME couple buy each other a ring. that's what me and my fiance are doing. i'm gonna buy him and ring and he's gonna buy me a ring. some women HAVE proposed to men because they know good and well that a woman has the same capability of that. all you have to say is "will you marry me".....it's quite simple.

"Let's have women forget about the so called "ladies night" they always enjoy when clubbing or going to bars.  Let's have ladies forget about snatching everything away in divorces from their exhusband and forget alimony bullshit and receiving a monthly check from the exhusband. "  i dont partake in these actions because i'm against them. so yes. lets forget about them. please. these are for the ladies who are still stuck in what their parents taught them: sexism

"Let's forget the whole "ladies first" stuff.  I can keep going and going.  See, women want MORE RIGHTS but they dont' want to give theirs to men.  So, where is such equality women want? "  haha shows how much you know. those things are not as prevelent as they used to be. and ya know what? i constantly open doors for guys. i constantly let people go ahead of me in places. and there are MANY women like me. but you dont see that cus you are not opening your mind to it. everything you said is very old. half of it's not prevelant anymore so i dont understand why your even mentioning it.

"Just look at a women's bone and muscle structure compared to men.  Just compare the best female athlete with the best male athlete.  It's just not the same. "  did you know that the male upperbody is stronger than the woman's but the famale lower body is built to be stronger than man's? yea. look into it. my goodness you're ignorant

even with that aside, it does nothing to contribute to the main point. women are just as smart and mentally strong. women are built very differently than men but that has nothing to say about personal endurance.

for example. samurai men. they were all very small. ninja and such. the men of the asian race are often very small. but through training, perserverence, mental strength and thing of the sort, they were able to become one of the most feared militaries. same thing with women. but you see.....there are women in our US army that one to fight on the front line. but the law wont allow them. they train just as long and hard as the male soldiers. they are just as mentally strong but the sexist law of the US will not allow them to fight on front line.

have fun reading about this female warrier:

"Triệu Thị Trinh was a Vietnamese warrior from the 3rd century who successfully resisted the occupying forces of the Wu Kingdom during their time in Vietnam. She was born in the Trieu Son district of Thanh Hoa province (now in Northern Vietnam). At the time of her birth, the area was controlled by the Eastern Wu Kingdom, one of China's three Kingdoms. She was orphaned at a young age and was raised by her brother and his wife as a slave until the age of 20. She escaped from her brother's home and fled to the jungle where she built up an army of at least 1,000 men and women soldiers. Triệu Trinh managed to liberate an area of Vietnam which she then claimed as her own. By the age of 23 she had defeated at least 30 Wu advances. It was said that she rode in to battle on the back of an elephant whilst wearing golden armor and carrying two swords."

and this woman:
"Artemisia I of Caria became the ruler of Ionia as a client of the Persians. She is best remembered for her participation in the Battle of Salamis (image above). She alone counseled the King of Persia (Xerxes) not to meet the Greeks at sea and do battle. Nevertheless he did not heed her advice and she participated in the battle in September 480 BC as the commander of five ships. At one point in the battle the Greeks were close to capturing her trireme when she devised a cunning plan to escape. She had her own ship bear down on another Persian ship causing the Greeks to think that she was fighting on their side. When she sank the ship the Greeks left her alone. Xerxes watching from a nearby hill also assumed that she had defeated an enemy ship and praised her for her bravery."

and this one:
"Fu Hao was a consort of King Wu Ding of the Shang dynasty. She also (unusually for that time) served as a high priestess and military general. Her tomb (image above) was discovered in Yinxu (the ruins of the Shang Capital, Yin) full intact with her treasures. She is known to modern scholars mainly from inscriptions on Shang dynasty oracle bone artifacts. In the inscriptions she is shown to have lead many military campaigns. The Tu fought again the Shang for many generations until Fu Hao finally defeated them in a single battle. Further campaigns against the neighbouring Yi, Qiang, and Ba were to follow - with the latter being particularly well known as the earliest recorded large scale ambush in Chinese history. With over 13,000 troops, she was the most powerful military leader of her time."

ya know what, i'm tired of doing your research for you. read this page:http://listverse.com/history/top-10-badass-female-warriors/

and then go to other sites about them and many more to confirm any doubts you may have. pick up a history book or two. you might find that you've suppressed yourself greatly from the truth your whole life.

It just means you live in a cave.  Everybody knows that girls have a harder time admitting anything that has to do with sex.  Interesting how something as simple as masturbation where MOST girls practice according to different surveys/studies out there, still, girls lie about it and deny it.  So you think women are completely open about their sexuailty JUST LIKE MEN?! Guys can walk in a room and say "Oh yeah, this weekend was great.  I shagged with 2 girls" and also have a girl out loud say the same thing about her sexual adventures? oh suuuuure.

ok fine then lets agree that both sexes EQUALLY have it bad whe it comes to sex.

Thank you, I made my point.

but besides that: "Pregnant and we don't want the baby? Too bad, we will be your slaves sending you our salary every month or go to jail.  So we guys have no choice one way or the other."

wow. just wow. and you're trying to defend guys right now?
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Exactly! My point is that when it comes to pregnancy, we guys have it worse because if we don't want the baby and you girls do, guess what? We're screwed.  We will have to be your slaves sending you our hard earned paycheck every month or go to jail.  Now, if we wanted the baby and you girls don't then tough look for us as well, you can kill it (abortion).

but i mentioned to you how many women have PROVEN our sex capable of just as much stuff as men

When women (in the same level as men) start beating men in sports, we'll talk.  I am not talking about WNBA beating the high school guy's team.  No no no, I am taklnig about the WNBA against NBA or the high school girl's varsity vs the high school's guy's varsity.  SAME LEVEL male vs female.  Tell me who will win?  I am using sports as an example because it requires PHYSICAL STRENGTH and women lack that compared to men.  I'll make it more simple.  Get your anatomy books and compare women's physique with men's (bone structure, back, muscle structure, etc.) and see for yourself.

and we dont have all that pesky testosterone getting in the way, either.

You have those girlie mood swings and hormones going wild each month.  That is even worse.

the fact that you say we are not capable is blatantly ignoring historic fact and in doings so, proven your ignorance and/or stupidity.
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You not being able to see something as simple as body structure (bones, muscles) between men and women shows you lack a brain.  Can women try? Sure!  Can women offer the same, nope.  

umm, son, this is year 2008. we're slowly but surely getting OUT of the sexism.

Even you said it "slowly but..." so you girls are quite not there yet.  When we know that women propose and buy that big ass expensive ring JUST AS MEN then we'll talk.  Still, the change is so slooooooooooow.  

some women HAVE proposed to men because they know good and well that a woman has the same capability of that. all you have to say is "will you marry me".....it's quite simple.

"some" compared to ALL men who are the ones expected to propose, buy the ring, give the speech, take care of expenses, etc.  And the interesting thing is that in the wedding they get to be ignored even after all they did for their girl.

"Let's have women forget about the so called "ladies night" they always enjoy when clubbing or going to bars.  Let's have ladies forget about snatching everything away in divorces from their exhusband and forget alimony bullshit and receiving a monthly check from the exhusband. "

i dont partake in these actions because i'm against them. so yes. lets forget about them. please. these are for the ladies who are still stuck in what their parents taught them: sexism

See, but most women don't want to give those rights to men as well so that is why the so called equality movement is so slow.  The day women REALLY want equality, they will give men all their rights.  Then, we will truly see equality.  We don't see it because women simply don't want it.

i constantly open doors for guys. i constantly let people go ahead of me in places. and there are MANY women like me.

I want to see woman get off their chairs and give it to men, pull the chair to sit them, open the door of the car and stretch their hand to help their man get out of the car, take their jackets and give it to men when they are cold, etc.  Next time a guy takes you out for dinner just look around you when its time to pay and you'll see the usual: men taking out their wallet to pay while their girl acts distracted, goes to the ladies room, or at least rub his back as he's throwing the cash to the table.  Same thing on the movies ticket booth and so on.  Just go to google and type "who pays on a date" and you'll see women from all around the world write articles about this and even men.  Then you'll see responds from the readers and everybody pretty much just agreeing that men should take care of all expenses ni a relationship.

but the famale lower body is built to be stronger than man's? yea. look into it. my goodness you're ignorant

Lower body is stronger? What the fuck are you talking about? If the world's gold medalist female runner ran faster than the world's gold medalist male runner then I would understand or any other sport that requires lower body strength.  Your debate was doing ok until you said this really.  We would see female athletes doing way better in sports that require lower body strength.  

women are just as smart and mentally strong. women are built very differently than men but that has nothing to say about personal endurance.

I never mentioned anything about their intellectual capacity for the reason you just stated.  If I was in the military, I wouldn't want to have a girlie with me ever but having them work in communications, plan strategies, etc.  I am cool with that.

there are women in our US army that one to fight on the front line. but the law wont allow them. they train just as long and hard as the male soldiers. they are just as mentally strong but the sexist law of the US will not allow them to fight on front line.

Nope, its not a sexist law, its just common sense.  Women simply can't perform as well as men when it comes to physical duties.  I have friends in the military that tell me women are just a drag out there.  They do less excersize, more shower time, etc.  It would be such a waste to have 5 women in the line of fire instead of 5 built 200+ pound guys out there doing their thing.  I don't even know why the US would even let them try out.  

You mention a few women soldiers through history and I'll even mention one that I didn't see or probably skipped: Joan of Arc.  Sure, they can be counted with my fingers compared to all the men who have conquered every corner of the world.  

Another history fact...many successful leaders from Rome, Greece, Mongolia, China, etc.  Would get rid of baby girls as soon as they were born because they knew they would only be a burden.  Guys were trained in the arts of war, to work in the field, build houses, go hunting, defend their people, make weapons, etc.  So they were useful.  Women only were useful to reproduce.  And those countries share the story of having the most powerful dominions.  Still, we have countries like China where they limit families to one child UNLESS their first born is a girl.  They know famiiles NEED a boy to contribute to the family so they give families a chance to try again and if they have another girl, tough luck, that's it.  No more opportunities to have boys.  China is rising to be a superpower in Asia.

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you're very close minded. u think girls are "supposed" to lie about it? all the girls i've ever talked to about this stuff openly admit about their sex drive. so i have no idea where you're getting this crap from  
 

It just means you live in a cave. Everybody knows that girls have a harder time admitting anything that has to do with sex. Interesting how something as simple as masturbation where MOST girls practice according to different surveys/studies out there, still, girls lie about it and deny it. So you think women are completely open about their sexuailty JUST LIKE MEN?! Guys can walk in a room and say "Oh yeah, this weekend was great. I shagged with 2 girls" and also have a girl out loud say the same thing about her sexual adventures? oh suuuuure.

 
ok fine then lets agree that both sexes EQUALLY have it bad whe it comes to sex.  
 

Thank you, I made my point.

 
but besides that: "Pregnant and we don't want the baby? Too bad, we will be your slaves sending you our salary every month or go to jail. So we guys have no choice one way or the other."  

wow. just wow. and you're trying to defend guys right now?  
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Exactly! My point is that when it comes to pregnancy, we guys have it worse because if we don't want the baby and you girls do, guess what? We're screwed. We will have to be your slaves sending you our hard earned paycheck every month or go to jail. Now, if we wanted the baby and you girls don't then tough look for us as well, you can kill it (abortion).

 
but i mentioned to you how many women have PROVEN our sex capable of just as much stuff as men
 

When women (in the same level as men) start beating men in sports, we'll talk. I am not talking about WNBA beating the high school guy's team. No no no, I am taklnig about the WNBA against NBA or the high school girl's varsity vs the high school's guy's varsity. SAME LEVEL male vs female. Tell me who will win? I am using sports as an example because it requires PHYSICAL STRENGTH and women lack that compared to men. I'll make it more simple. Get your anatomy books and compare women's physique with men's (bone structure, back, muscle structure, etc.) and see for yourself.

 
and we dont have all that pesky testosterone getting in the way, either.
 

You have those girlie mood swings and hormones going wild each month. That is even worse.  

 
the fact that you say we are not capable is blatantly ignoring historic fact and in doings so, proven your ignorance and/or stupidity.  
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You not being able to see something as simple as body structure (bones, muscles) between men and women shows you lack a brain. Can women try? Sure! Can women offer the same, nope.

 
umm, son, this is year 2008. we're slowly but surely getting OUT of the sexism.
 

Even you said it "slowly but..." so you girls are quite not there yet. When we know that women propose and buy that big ass expensive ring JUST AS MEN then we'll talk. Still, the change is so slooooooooooow.

 
some women HAVE proposed to men because they know good and well that a woman has the same capability of that. all you have to say is "will you marry me".....it's quite simple.  
 

"some" compared to ALL men who are the ones expected to propose, buy the ring, give the speech, take care of expenses, etc. And the interesting thing is that in the wedding they get to be ignored even after all they did for their girl.

 
"Let's have women forget about the so called "ladies night" they always enjoy when clubbing or going to bars. Let's have ladies forget about snatching everything away in divorces from their exhusband and forget alimony bullshit and receiving a monthly check from the exhusband. "  

 i dont partake in these actions because i'm against them. so yes. lets forget about them. please. these are for the ladies who are still stuck in what their parents taught them: sexism  
 

See, but most women don't want to give those rights to men as well so that is why the so called equality movement is so slow. The day women REALLY want equality, they will give men all their rights. Then, we will truly see equality. We don't see it because women simply don't want it.

 
i constantly open doors for guys. i constantly let people go ahead of me in places. and there are MANY women like me.  
 

I want to see woman get off their chairs and give it to men, pull the chair to sit them, open the door of the car and stretch their hand to help their man get out of the car, take their jackets and give it to men when they are cold, etc. Next time a guy takes you out for dinner just look around you when its time to pay and you'll see the usual: men taking out their wallet to pay while their girl acts distracted, goes to the ladies room, or at least rub his back as he's throwing the cash to the table. Same thing on the movies ticket booth and so on. Just go to google and type "who pays on a date" and you'll see women from all around the world write articles about this and even men. Then you'll see responds from the readers and everybody pretty much just agreeing that men should take care of all expenses ni a relationship.

 
but the famale lower body is built to be stronger than man's? yea. look into it. my goodness you're ignorant  
 

Lower body is stronger? What the fuck are you talking about? If the world's gold medalist female runner ran faster than the world's gold medalist male runner then I would understand or any other sport that requires lower body strength. Your debate was doing ok until you said this really. We would see female athletes doing way better in sports that require lower body strength.

 
women are just as smart and mentally strong. women are built very differently than men but that has nothing to say about personal endurance.  
 

I never mentioned anything about their intellectual capacity for the reason you just stated. If I was in the military, I wouldn't want to have a girlie with me ever but having them work in communications, plan strategies, etc. I am cool with that.

 
there are women in our US army that one to fight on the front line. but the law wont allow them. they train just as long and hard as the male soldiers. they are just as mentally strong but the sexist law of the US will not allow them to fight on front line.  
 

Nope, its not a sexist law, its just common sense. Women simply can't perform as well as men when it comes to physical duties. I have friends in the military that tell me women are just a drag out there. They do less excersize, more shower time, etc. It would be such a waste to have 5 women in the line of fire instead of 5 built 200+ pound guys out there doing their thing. I don't even know why the US would even let them try out.

You mention a few women soldiers through history and I'll even mention one that I didn't see or probably skipped: Joan of Arc. Sure, they can be counted with my fingers compared to all the men who have conquered every corner of the world.

Another history fact...many successful leaders from Rome, Greece, Mongolia, China, etc. Would get rid of baby girls as soon as they were born because they knew they would only be a burden. Guys were trained in the arts of war, to work in the field, build houses, go hunting, defend their people, make weapons, etc. So they were useful. Women only were useful to reproduce. And those countries share the story of having the most powerful dominions. Still, we have countries like China where they limit families to one child UNLESS their first born is a girl. They know famiiles NEED a boy to contribute to the family so they give families a chance to try again and if they have another girl, tough luck, that's it. No more opportunities to have boys. China is rising to be a superpower in Asia.

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dude enough with the mars vs. venus crap about pregnancy. sure sure sure i know it is just soooo tough for you men to watch the woman carrying your baby laborously for 9 months, changing her diet for the baby, throwing up every morning for a month, sacrificing fun things she usually can do for fun or personal enjoyment when not pregnant for the safety of the baby, and then being bed ridden for the longest time.....born out of her mind and then the wonderful hours of excruciating pain, having her vagina ripped open, and oh dont forget the possiblity of her dying if something goes wrong in the delivery. you're right....men have it sooooo much worse than woman with pregnancy. all the guy has to do is help support her...must be sooo difficult for the poor guy. the men just have to go through so much, huh? lets through you a pity party

haha. son, i'm in the SCA. and if you dont know what that is, it's a combat organization. i see women kick the guys' asses all the time. and that's while wearing a ton of metal for armer and heavy sheilds. not only that, but i see women fighters also do rapier sword fighting. that does not require so much physical strength as it does agility, reflex, and strategy. one of the best SCA rapier sword fighters in the nation is a female. i do not know who is the best and i doubt there is one. but anyway i watch a video of her and she kicked the dude's ass. and that's one rapier fighting. she supposedly amazing in heavy fighting but i've never seen a video of that. SCA is one of the rare sports that allow men and women fight against each other. in sports like baseball and basketball, they dont even allow the sexes to play with each other. they have different leagues. it's rediculous. so untill they allow both sexes to play together, we wont really know who will win. all i know is i've seen the olympics and some of those women outdo the other men but not in the same category cus the sexes are in different categories. because our nation is still sexist

"You have those girlie mood swings and hormones going wild each month.  That is even worse."

lol not only did you just show how ignorant you are, but it showed how hypocritcal you are as well. you see, apparantly you're not aware of this (and dont feel bad many men dont know) but men go through a monthly cycle as well. the only difference is that it doesn't make you bleed or have excruciating stomache pains. it does, however, give you IMS. look it up. it's a scientifically proven fact. when men have IMS, people just think that he's being a jerk. they dont know that it's actually his hormones making him a butthole. here's a website, if you're interested in knowing a little more about your own body: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=51095

"You not being able to see something as simple as body structure (bones, muscles) between men and women shows you lack a brain.  Can women try? Sure!  Can women offer the same, nope."

you're forgetting something called "the individual" you see, people are built differently no matter what the sex. some women are small and some are medium and some are big. same with men. i know MANY men that are extremely small and have the same strength as me being that they are my size or smaller. it's not like because they are men makes them 10 times stronger than me even though they are my size. that would be a rediculous notion. and on that same track, some women are just as big as bigger men. i know a few women who are tall, muscley, and tough. are the equivilant to the strength of a man? well yea....duh. it would make absolutely no sense if she wasn't. you seem to think that being a man makes you somehow stronger just cus you have a penis. well some women are quite big. and a man is the equilivent of their strength

"Even you said it "slowly but..." so you girls are quite not there yet.  When we know that women propose and buy that big ass expensive ring JUST AS MEN then we'll talk.  Still, the change is so slooooooooooow. " i said "slowly but surely" because it is men like you that are keeping the sexism alive, even though us women are out of it. some are stuck in the past because of the generation they lived in or for what their parents tought them. but the majority of women today are feminists.

"'some' compared to ALL men who are the ones expected to propose, buy the ring, give the speech, take care of expenses, etc.  And the interesting thing is that in the wedding they get to be ignored even after all they did for their girl. "    oh goodness once again you are failing to realize the purpose of my emphasis. i said "some" because like i stated above, there are some women in the world who are stuck in the past cus of their parents and such. but most woman nowadays are feminists.

"See, but most women don't want to give those rights to men as well so that is why the so called equality movement is so slow.  The day women REALLY want equality, they will give men all their rights.  Then, we will truly see equality.  We don't see it because women simply don't want it. "

eventually, the people of old time mentalities will die out and the people of newer generations will be prevelent and sexism will be wiped out. i know MANY women who, once they are divorced, take care of themselves through their own career and some take care of their kids all by themselves. my mom is pretty much doing that right now. why use a man if you dont need one?

"I want to see woman get off their chairs and give it to men, pull the chair to sit them, open the door of the car and stretch their hand to help their man get out of the car, take their jackets and give it to men when they are cold, etc." that's very old timey. i do open car doors and things of the sort but no one helps people out of cars anymore unless they are a decrepit old person. i also never see anyone pulling out seats for anyone else anymore. it's all in the past. why are you so stuck in the past? i do favors of that sort all the time for my fiance though. open the doors for him and things like that and he appreciates it and repays me the courtesy because we deem ourselves as equals. if i scratch his back, he'll scratch mine, ya see? oh and another thing: my fiance wears my jackets all the time lol. also when i was in high school, i saw guys wearing their gf's letterman jacket all the time. like i said before, this is year 2008. get with the times. everyday's a new day. stop living in the 50s

"you'll see the usual: men taking out their wallet to pay while their girl acts distracted, goes to the ladies room, or at least rub his back as he's throwing the cash to the table." that's funny.....cus i pay for lots of meals when i'm out with my fiance. i see girls doing it too. i wonder why? oh, i guess it's because people nowadays are finally starting to realize that both sexes are equal. where have you been?

oh you want another fun tidbit of information? well, you see, i dont have a car at the moment cus my family is really hard on money cus my mom is supporting 3 daughters, one whose baby's father tried to kill her so she left him, the other (men) who is in college, and the youngest who is still in junior high. my mom is also helping support her grandson. so, well, we hardly have any money. so i dont have a car at the moment. so my wonderful fiance drives me everywhere. and you know what i do? i pay for the gas. sometimes i cant because of trouble with money, but when i have the money, i help him with his expenses. why? because we're equal

*sigh* like i said different people are different. some women's lower body will be stronger than man's. it just depends on the person.

"Women simply can't perform as well as men when it comes to physical duties. "

once again you are just simply wrong. but another way for you to think about it is this: nowadays we dont really fight with as much physical stuff. it's all machinery and guns and such. so even IF women weren't as physically strong as men (even though we are) they would only be having to shoot a gun and stuff like that. so either way, the woman should be able to fight on the front lines. you yourself admitted women can strategize and stuff. did you know that in situations where a gun is used, stretegy is extremely important, besides aim? so therefore even if women were weaker (which we're not) they should still be able to fight on the front line

"I have friends in the military that tell me women are just a drag out there." and i'm sure your friends are sexist bigots just like you. you say they're your friends, right? well, you mostly likely live in an area where sexism is devotedly practiced. maybe you live in the country or something like that. i would never take word from a biased person seriously.

"They do less excersize" ya know why they do less excersize? because the sexist government ruled military has it that way. i have quite a few female friends and aquaintences in the military and i was in my high school's ROTC program for two years. so i know about this stuff. the have the things set for women. because they're sexist and think women cant do as much as men.....and that's incorrect. it's not the women's fault that the military sets how much work they have to do

"It would be such a waste to have 5 women in the line of fire instead of 5 built 200+ pound guys out there doing their thing." like i said before, it's machinery and guns and stuff that matter nowadays. but anyway, if the female is well trained, she will be the equivalent of a 200+ lbs man.

"Sure, they can be counted with my fingers compared to all the men who have conquered every corner of the world. " like i pointed out before and you've blatantly ignored: the only reason there are fewer female warrior heros and things of the sort is because men didn't allow women to fight. the only women that really got to fight, usually,  were the ones of royal dissent.

imagine that a person auditioned to get into a choir. he was a really good singer and all but, there were other people who were auditioning too. he wanted to get the best ranking from the audition. so he poisoned all the auditioners and made them sick so that they did really bad at the auditions. so he got the top rank. did he get the top rank because he deserved it? no he got top rank because he didn't allow the other singers a chance to show how good they were. it's the same case with men in the old days. they did not ALLOW other women to fight. so to say the reason that there are so many male warrior heros and such is only because they are men is very ignorant. the only reason there was so many male warrior heros is because men outnumbered women rediculously. and why did they outnumber women? because they would not let them fight

"leaders from Rome, Greece, Mongolia, China, etc.  Would get rid of baby girls as soon as they were born because they knew they would only be a burden." that's because they were idiotic sexist bigots. it says nothing about women ourselves or our abilities and equalities as people. all it tells me is that men in the past would kill baby girls.

another reason why that is stupid is cus for one: they WANTED men. so why in the world kill the thing that is going to PRODUCE you more men? they were absolutely idiotic for killing baby girls for the simple reason of just wanting men. they were not even smart enough to realize that

"Guys were trained in the arts of war, to work in the field, build houses, go hunting, defend their people, make weapons, etc.  So they were useful.".....well duh. they wouldn't let women do that stuff

they dont need another boy to contribute to a family. my mom has proven that. a single woman supporting a whole family of girls. the one man that came to our family screwed us over big time. and you say families NEED men to contribute? this man came along and inconvenienced us. lol. you're argument is quite debunked

if china wants to ignorantly be sexist, then that's their deal. they dont know what they're missing out on

china also believes in beauty over quality. and everyone knows that that is a flawed mentality. it inconveniences and such like that. so why take a nation seriously when so many other aspects it has is so wrong?

It takes her 9 months to enjoy keeping a house she didn't even work for and receiving a nice paycheck every month from the government and the father.  Not only that but the father pretty much has to beg to see his own child for a few hours on the weekends.  

all the guy has to do is help support her...must be sooo difficult for the poor guy. the men just have to go through so much, huh? lets through you a pity party

9 months of being uncomfortable compared to 18 YEARS of the guy's life sending his paycheck to the mother while she sits her ass at home receiving also the government check.  Kachiiiiiiing!

haha. son, i'm in the SCA. and if you dont know what that is, it's a combat organization. i see women kick the guys' asses all the time.

Oh please.  You think a guy will dare himself to punch a girl's teeth out?  You are so naive.  I wish a girl tried to kick me or something so I can punch her face and later say "Hey! It was self defense" because I just can't walk to a girl and hit her.  

that does not require so much physical strength as it does agility, reflex, and strategy.

See, you had to mention that it doesn't require strength because you know women lack it compared to men.  You would show more ignorance if you tell me women are AS STRONG AS MEN.  

one of the best SCA rapier sword fighters in the nation is a female

Says who?  Think of any sport out there and tell me if women can beat men.  Easy example, put any female gold medalist against the male gold medalist in ANY SPORT.  Girls are nothing compared to men in physical tasks.  No wonder women police have to call men when they are approaching a guy in a car or something.  There are countless of videos out there of police women who get their ass kicked when stopping a bad guy or something.  It's pathetic.  

SCA...gimme a break, that whole thing its a play.  SCA doesn't get you anywhere in life.  Maybe you can get a job in that hotel Excalibur in Las Vegas.  Come on, talk about what's useful, talk about MILITARY or something.  

in sports like baseball and basketball, they dont even allow the sexes to play with each other. they have different leagues. it's rediculous

Yes, it would be ridiculous to see the men's baseball team vs female's baseball team and just with any single sport out there.  Women simply don't even bring competition.  It would be a joke really to see male vs female.

so untill they allow both sexes to play together, we wont really know who will win

Oh please, you keep showing how stupid you are or just trying cheap shots here.  See a any guy perform in ANY sport.  Compare the record between male and female athletes.  Women are below men.  Don't try your cheap shots here.  

i said "slowly but surely" because it is men like you that are keeping the sexism alive, even though us women are out of it.

Nope, its you girls who love being in the receiving end and are hypocrite.  Sure, women want to receive men's benefits but not willing to give theirs to men which are waaaaaaaaay so many.  But you said it, the change is so slow so we're not even there.  When we finally see equality (I doubt it) then we'll talk.  Meanwhile, enjoy the freebies.

oh goodness once again you are failing to realize the purpose of my emphasis. i said "some" because like i stated above, there are some women in the world who are stuck in the past cus of their parents and such. but most woman nowadays are feminists.

Some? Nope, THE MAJORITY.  Don't use excuses, the point is that men are the ones who do all that for their woman: propose, buy her a big ass expensive ring, give a speech to her and both families, etc.  Interesting thing is that even though the guy it all in the relationship, he gets ignored at the wedding.  Talk about equality, huh?

You mentioned it is something from the past, suuuuuuuure.  You are just another girl who enjoys the freebies from her man.  I want to see you buying him a bigass engagement ring, proposing, delivering the speech to both families, and so on.    

i scratch his back, he'll scratch mine, ya see? oh and  i saw guys wearing their gf's letterman jacket all the time.

It's not like a girl goes "Oh, you must be cold, here, wear my jacket, I'll endure this cold weather" yeah right.

that's funny.....cus i pay for lots of meals when i'm out with my fiance. i see girls doing it too. i wonder why? oh, i guess it's because people nowadays are finally starting to realize that both sexes are equal. where have you been?

We are far from equality.  Just go to google and type "who pays on a date" and tell me why girls around the world agree men should take care of it.  These are ACTUAL articles written by women and men.  Then you have the readers drop a comment or two and girls/guys agree its men who should take care of expenses.

oh you want another fun tidbit of information? well, you see, i dont have a car at the moment cus my family is really hard on money

Tell your boyfriend to buy you one.  As a girl, you can get away with that stuff.

Interesting how you mention all those things your mom is doing and I never ever saw "Oh, and I am also supporting the family with my job".  You are just another freeloader with your boyfriend and with your mom.  How pathetic.  At least help your mom you bitch.

so my wonderful fiance drives me everywhere. and you know what i do? i pay for the gas. sometimes i cant because of trouble with money, but when i have the money, i help him with his expenses. why? because we're equal

Typical girl answer "When I can, I help...every once in a blue moon I'll pay the tip...Umh, whenever I remember I'll try to help...".

nowadays we dont really fight with as much physical stuff. it's all machinery and guns and such

Nice cheap shot.  Don't try to go around this.  Women simply can't perform as well as men when it comes to physical duties that require strength mostly.  And now you go "oh, doesn't matter because there are machines and stuff".  Nice cheap shot.  

you yourself admitted women can strategize and stuff. did you know that in situations where a gun is used, stretegy is extremely important, besides aim?

Yes, I admitted to that because it only requires intellectual skills, not physical.  I don't want a guy who can only point a gun at someone.  I want a guy who can carry heavy stuff, heavy weapons, can fight barehand, etc.  So a girl that has good aim, still, is useless.  Imagine she runs out of ammo and is approached by the enemy barehanded.  What will her flimsy delicate body do against a 235 pound guy? I would be ashamed to have the enemy see girls in my platoon.  

so therefore even if women were weaker (which we're not) they should still be able to fight on the front line

It's suicide to have women in the front line.  Really, women are such a drag in the military.

"I have friends in the military that tell me women are just a drag out there." and i'm sure your friends are sexist bigots just like you.

Oh, poor boo boo.  Just because others don't support your views, they are sexist bigots? Oh please.

you say they're your friends, right? well, you mostly likely live in an area where sexism is devotedly practiced.

Knowing that women don't offer the same as men physically makes me a sexist? Grow up.

"They do less excersize" ya know why they do less excersize? because the sexist government ruled military has it that way

Nope, because they know women just don't offer the same.  If you can afford cable tv, I suppose you get the Discovery Channel or Military Channel.  When you see those, tell me how many times you hear women being mentioned.  Also, there is a show about Navy Seal training and they have shown women who want to try out and end up crying.  Really pathetic.  

i have quite a few female friends and aquaintences in the military and i was in my high school's ROTC program for two years. so i know about this stuff. the have the things set for women. because they're sexist and think women cant do as much as men.....and that's incorrect. it's not the women's fault that the military sets how much work they have to do

See, you also know that women's excersizes, discipline, etc.  are reduced for in the miiltary for women.  Don't call men sexist, call women incapable instead.  

Tell me something, what do you think about men being rejected to work in a daycare, kindergarden, etc.  That makes those women sexists?  

"It would be such a waste to have 5 women in the line of fire instead of 5 built 200+ pound guys out there doing their thing." like i said before, it's machinery and guns and stuff that matter nowadays. but anyway, if the female is well trained, she will be the equivalent of a 200+ lbs man.

Heavy machinery needs men who can work with it.  Heavy machinery won't work the same on the hands of a flimsy delicate woman.  Do you know how much force a punch of a 200+ male is comapred to a punch of a 110 pound girl? Girlie, that is why in boxing and any martial arts pretty much they divide the challengers PER WEIGHT to make it even because a guy in his 200s vs a guy in his 110s will totally destroy him.  Now imagine a girile that has to fight barehanded against a guy who's above 200 pounds.  Do the math.

the only reason there are fewer female warrior heros and things of the sort is because men didn't allow women to fight. the only women that really got to fight, usually,  were the ones of royal dissent

Joan of Arc was a peasant girl born in the East of France.  She had to show her talent for someone to consider her obviously.  So yeah, the women who did a thing or two in the history of military can be counted with my hand.  


another reason why that is stupid is cus for one: they WANTED men. so why in the world kill the thing that is going to PRODUCE you more men? they were absolutely idiotic for killing baby girls for the simple reason of just wanting men. they were not even smart enough to realize that
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Uuuuuuuuh, they would keep just a few girls for that same reason.  Keeping more girls would mean more people in the city/group/whatever who would just be there consuming resources.  So they kept all boys to have people who would contribute and not just consume resources like girls.  Simple math.  Kill 10 girls who would just be a burden and keep 2 or 3 and so on.  Have 10 boys and thank god we can have them working in the fields, building stuff, in the military, construction, etc.  That's how they did it back then and through history were successful.

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this man came along and inconvenienced us. lol. you're argument is quite debunked

If your mom wants, she can squeeze every single coin from his bank account, keep his house (maybe she already did...just were you are living now), keep his benefits, etc.  

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if china wants to ignorantly be sexist, then that's their deal. they dont know what they're missing out on

Don't confuse sexism with just being smart.  What will a girl contribute to the family? Zilch, nada, nothing.  So the government acts nice and gives the family a second opportunity to see if they have a boy who will contribute and not just consume resources.

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It takes her 9 months to enjoy keeping a house she didn't even work for and receiving...

 

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let me give you 2 examples. my big sis has a baby. when she was pregnant, the father tried to kill her. he tried to choke her and she retaliated and got away from him probably punched him or something, not sure. but she went and got in her car and was driving off. he followed her in his own car and rear ended her purposefully. so obviously he does not deserve the privilege fathering her baby. because he tried to kill her, in doing so trying to kill the baby too. so my sister got a restraining order on him. so no he was not allowed to see the baby....ya know, after having threatening the baby's very own life. well, once the baby is born, he comes knocking on the door wanting to see the baby. my sister, just to be nice, gave him limited visits under supervision. she gave him a second chance. after having given him the second chance he didn't derserve, he got put in jail for owning multiple illegal drugs. so yea.....his rights as father have been forfeited. and it is wise of my sister. plus he hardly ever came to see "his" kid anyway.

my fiance's sister has a baby. and strangely, something very similar happened to her. he pushed her down some stares while she was pregnant. so does he have rights to the baby? hardly any. the government has his custody under control. he has limited time with the baby he almost killed.

so in cases like that, you better believe the mom wont let the father see the baby

but for cases.....that doesn't usually happen. usually if the guy gets her pregnant, she will be more than happy to let him be involved in the baby's life because he did nothing to prove he cant be a good father. and the help of raising a child is good.  

women dont need men to support them while pregnant. women do it all the time. i've heard many stories of women who got pregnant and the father got cold feet and abandoned her. so she, living by herself, pays her own hospital bills, pays for her household bills, pays for her food, as well as going through all the crap that a woman has to go through while being pregnant.

you see, chino, if men dont want the baby, that's all fine and dandy for them. they can walk away and never speak to her again. the woman, however, is stuck baring a child for 9 months and then raising it for 18 years. the guy doesn't have to do that.  

"9 months of being uncomfortable compared to 18 YEARS of the guy's life sending his paycheck to the mother while she sits her ass at home receiving also the government check. Kachiiiiiiing! "

like i said before, you're thinking like you're in the 50s. things aren't like that anymore, sweetie. my sister attended beauty school while she was pregnant. my fiance's sister worked at a bank while she was pregnant. my mom worked as a book keeper while she was pregnant. my friend christina attended high school everyday while pregnant and was home schooled during the times she was bed ridden. there is a girl in my college english class who is currently pregnant attending college. college for goodness sakes. my cousin attended college while pregnant AND already having one child of her own who was 5 years old.  

and that's just a list of how hard women work WHILE they're pregnant

now lets get on the subject of how hard they work AFTER the child is born. my cousin is finishing up college as well as working. still working hard. not "sitting on her ass", as u like to say. my mom worked hard on her own for 24 years with raising me and my sisters. my fiance's sister is attending college and working, the baby is already born and the father does nothing to help. ya know why? cus she doesn't need him.  

you see all these women are getting college educations. why, you may ask? because they plan on having a well-paying steady career. they're aren't gonna "sit on their asses" for 18 years, like you tend to think they do. my mom has worked her ass OFF rather than sat on it.  

but you dont seem to understand something. it takes two to tango. in order for a woman to get pregnant, a man has to have copulated with her. so if he creates a child with her, it is his child and responsibility as well. it does not only belong to her. the REASON the government has then men pay for the child is because the child is their responsibility too. NOT because the woman "needs" him to. my family, friends, and fiance's sister have proven that. but the government has men help with finances because if is the one who put his penis inside her and now he has to follow up the responsibilites if he chooses to do that.

"Oh please. You think a guy will dare himself to punch a girl's teeth out? You are so naive. I wish a girl tried to kick me or something so I can punch her face and later say "Hey! It was self defense" because I just can't walk to a girl and hit her. " once again you're living in the 50s

in SCA men dont "let the girl win" ya know why? cus sometimes the men kick the girl's asses as well. but in turn the girls often kick their asses as well.  

"See, you had to mention that it doesn't require strength because you know women lack it compared to men. You would show more ignorance if you tell me women are AS STRONG AS MEN. "  

you idiot

i told you that there are different forms of fighting in SCA. i told you there is heavy fighting in sca, that requires a lot of strength, and THEN there is light fighting.

i seperated the two but you chose to ignore that to ignorantly try to vainly prove a point.

i had the feeling you would do that too. i was right lol

anyway, i told you that women kcik ass in BOTH categories in SCA. i told you that, you poor thing. lol. i'm starting to really feel sorry for you

it's either that you're purposefully ignoring relevent points i make or that you really just dont have the mental capability of comprehending everything i tell you. lol

lol i see numerous videos of male cops "getting their ass kicked" by bad guys all the time. where have you been?

EVERY cop calls for backup, silly. not just female cops. i watch those cop shows. the male cop get his ass kicked all the time. and sometimes he wins. sometimes the female wins too

and about the SCA female fighter. you said "says who?" about her being one of the best

SCA is who. they actually confirmed her as one of the top champions.  

"SCA...gimme a break, that whole thing its a play. SCA doesn't get you anywhere in life. Maybe you can get a job in that hotel Excalibur in Las Vegas. Come on, talk about what's useful, talk about MILITARY or something. "

HAHAHAAAA!!!! omg! that is so funny. i cant take it. it's too much. you're so ignorant.

please do me a favor. please. do some research and see if there is a local SCA around you. join and go to just like one or two practices. you'll have your ass handed to you. it's really physically challenging and requires strength and agility and strategy. it's way tougher than baseball. it's tougher and more dangerous than tennis. and those are sports that can often gain fame and money to athletes. and that's baby games compared to SCA. the strength and physcial as well as mental endurance required to be a fighter in SCA is rediculously high.

it's a play, you say? lol hardly. you're thinking of those reanactment things of wars and stuff they do at tourist attractions. SCA is an actual sport. they do not reanact historic wars or anything like that. once again you display complete ignorance

"Yes, it would be ridiculous to see the men's baseball team vs female's baseball team and just with any single sport out there. Women simply don't even bring competition. It would be a joke really to see male vs female. "

haha i'd like you to tell that to my old high school's basketball teams. the female team went way father than the male team. they were beasts.....the boys won way less games than the females

and anyway what i MEANT by saying "in sports like baseball and basketball, they dont even allow the sexes to play with each other. they have different leagues. it's rediculous " is that the sexes should be able to play WITH each other. not against. women and men on the same team against other women and men on the same team. simple concept.

"See a any guy perform in ANY sport. Compare the record between male and female athletes. Women are below men. Don't try your cheap shots here. "

lol cheap shots, you say? your shots are the cheapest of all. lol! i mean for goodness sakes: in my last post i mentioned the horrors of a m=woman being pregnant and you completely ignored all of them because they debunked your argument and you didn't like that. so you pretended like i didn't even say it at all. so i have cheap shots? HAHA. you're too funny.  

anyway, some women are better than men in sports. it happens, dude. get over it lol

"Nope, its you girls who love being in the receiving end and are hypocrite. Sure, women want to receive men's benefits but not willing to give theirs to men which are waaaaaaaaay so many. But you said it, the change is so slow so we're not even there. When we finally see equality (I doubt it) then we'll talk. Meanwhile, enjoy the freebies. "

i already told you that women do give their benefits to men. i've discussed that with you already but you chose to ignore it. if you choose to blatantly ignore it, then there's not much i can do for you because you are purposefully ignoring all the valid things i say. and everything i say here is valid. i said the change is slow because men are holding it back. we're almost there with washing out sexism. when i say "slowly but surely" i'm not saying we're not close yet. i'm just saying their still will be a little more time unill guys like you stop being closeminded and conceited. what proves this? we almost had a woman run for president. we have many prominant women in government who are great rulers. unfortunately we still dont have complete equality in government but that will soon be taken care of. especially once sexists like you die out. it will happen dont worry.

"give a speech to her and both families, etc.".....what? who does that? what the crap? that's like sooooo in the past, dude. people dont give speaches to families anymore. for decades, the newly engaged couple will sit their family down in a room and spread the good news to them together. it's not like the woman sits their as the man tells the family "i just propose to your daughter and we are engaged to be married".....no1 does that. i distinctly remember when my dad, after having been divorced from my mom for years, had me and my sisters in a room and BOTH my dad and my now-stepmom told us they were engaged

and like i said women do contribute to dating and stuff like that. they pay for a lot for the weddings. most expenses nowadays are split in couples. we're getting out of sexism, whether you want to believe it or not. i know you want to tightly cling to conservative views like a baby blanket but eventually you're going to have to except that things have changed and they've been chan ged for decades and change a bit more each year.

i was disgussing this with guys a while back. they actually told me that they split expenses with their girlfriend nowadays. i mean why wouldn't they? this is a generation where women work all the time. so they have the money to pay for that stuff. so why wouldn't they pay for it.  

"Interesting thing is that even though the guy it all in the relationship, he gets ignored at the wedding." i have no idea where you got that from. son, i've been to multiple weddings. and at each wedding, the groom gets just as many "congratulations" and compliments as the bride. just as much attention is given to him. the only difference in attention that they may get is that the bride might get "your wedding dress is so beautiful" and stuff but that's to be expected. would they spend a lot of time saying "oh groom, your tux is so grand and beautiful.....very plain and black....umm...yea..." no.

but ya wanna know something cool? my fiance is gonna have a really awesome outfit for our wedding. we're not quite sure what it's gonna look like exactly but me and him are going to design it together and make it together. on our wedding day, he's gonna get just as many "you look beautiful"s as i do

"You mentioned it is something from the past, suuuuuuuure. You are just another girl who enjoys the freebies from her man. I want to see you buying him a bigass engagement ring, proposing, delivering the speech to both families, and so on. "

like i told you, me and him are buying each other a ring. we didn't really have an initial proposal, we discussed plans of marriage. he eventually proposed. when i get my ring for him, i am going to find a romantic setting and give him a speech. and like i said before, no1 gives speeches to their families anymore. that's old, dude.

"It's not like a girl goes "Oh, you must be cold, here, wear my jacket, I'll endure this cold weather" yeah right. "

lol i do that all the time. i'm sure other girls do it too. i'm not sure cus i dont sit there and stalk other couples to see if the girl says "you must be cold. here have my jacket" becaus that would be a little weird and obsessive to do that lol. but yes i see guys wearing their gf's letterman all the time. and she'll be wearing his as well.

"tell me why girls around the world agree men should take care of it. These are ACTUAL articles written by women and men."

i understand that. you told me that already. and i told YOU that there are still some girls in the world who have sexist customs but i told you we're getting out of that. their are even feminist men who urge the women to help with expenses too because they are fmeinists as well and believe in equality. i know many feminist men.  

"Tell your boyfriend to buy you one. As a girl, you can get away with that stuff. "

what a rediculous notion. why in the world would i ask my fiance to buy me a car when i can just get a job and save up the money for one. it would be rediculous to ask him for that favor. haha

" "Oh, and I am also supporting the family with my job". You are just another freeloader with your boyfriend and with your mom. How pathetic. At least help your mom you bitch. "

lol shows how much you know. i'm a full-time college student, chino. i cant work. i dont have a car and i'm away from home to have my mom drive me to my job everyday. i'm an hour away from home. i work my butt off here at college. but during the summers i get jobs. yep. i guess that never would have crossed your mind that i do that. you silly silly thing you.

"Typical girl answer "When I can, I help...every once in a blue moon I'll pay the tip...Umh, whenever I remember I'll try to help...". " like i told you already: i'm a fulltime college student with no way to get around to and from work. so no job is able for me. but when i have the money, i pay for gas and i treat my fiance out to eat and to a movie. i buy him gifts. because we're equal

"Women simply can't perform as well as men when it comes to physical duties that require strength mostly. And now you go "oh, doesn't matter because there are machines and stuff". Nice cheap shot. "

it's not a cheap shot it's just the truth. if you choose to ignore the truth, then i guess there's not much i can do. i tried to tell you the truth but ur embarrassed about being wrong so you try your own cheap shots by calling me a cheap shot. lol. THAT is what you call a cheap shot, chino. >_<

"I want a guy who can carry heavy stuff, heavy weapons, can fight barehand, etc. So a girl that has good aim, still, is useless. Imagine she runs out of ammo and is approached by the enemy barehanded. What will her flimsy delicate body do against a 235 pound guy? I would be ashamed to have the enemy see girls in my platoon. "

it's called technique and strength. anyone with technique and stength can kick the ass of someone twice their size

i've seen small men with good technique fight against big men with bad technique and the big man would get their ass kicked

and you forget what i mentioned earlier. some women are just as big if not bigger than men. so if a smaller man fought a big woman and the woman won, does that make males the weaker sex? cus that's the same mentality you are usuing with women being the weaker sex. that's not the way it is

it's about the individual, not the sex

"It's suicide to have women in the front line. Really, women are such a drag in the military."

that's simply incorrect

"Oh, poor boo boo. Just because others don't support your views, they are sexist bigots? Oh please."

nope. someone is a sexist bigot if they believe women are weaker and wont open their mind to other views. THAT'S what a sexist bigot is. and that's most likely what you friends are.

"Knowing that women don't offer the same as men physically makes me a sexist? Grow up."

nope. THINKING that women dont offer the same as men physically makes you a sexist. you grow up.  

"there is a show about Navy Seal training and they have shown women who want to try out and end up crying."

well, like i told you: it's about the individual. those individuals were weaker. i see and hear about men complaining and crying at the military too. women aren't the only ones. *sigh* you see, if they are biased, are they going to show the other side too? no. if you are biased, are you going to acknowledge the other side, no. that's what tv does a lot. like with the presidential campaigne. the people that are biased to mccain because obama is black immediately shot off the idea of good things from obama because they already decided that they wanna like mccain. and some people do the exact thing to mccain. many people want obama as pres only cus he's black. so they shot off the idea of good things about mccain cus they already decided that they wanna like obama. that's just how the world is. when people DECIDE they wanna like something over another thing, they shot off the idea of positive things of the other.

"See, you also know that women's excersizes, discipline, etc. are reduced for in the miiltary for women. Don't call men sexist, call women incapable instead. "

they are not incapable. they are not allowed to do anything further. you see the differnece? its very obvious. i dont know how i can make it simpler for you to understand

"Tell me something, what do you think about men being rejected to work in a daycare, kindergarden, etc. That makes those women sexists? "

well, i dont know much about daycares so i can't contribute to that argument cus it is something i've never been introduced to. but i assure you i will look into it ;)
but beside that, i'm pretty sure i've seen guys working there before. i am just not very familiar with the subject of daycares so yea

"Do you know how much force a punch of a 200+ male is comapred to a punch of a 110 pound girl?"

that's why i have already mentioned individual beings about 3 times already. so what is the comparison of a 200 lbs girl's punch to a 130 lbs guy's punch? the girl will be stronger cus she's bigger and stronger. i tried to make the point already that individuals have different sizes

is every man on this planet 200+ lbs? no. is ever woman on this planet 110 lbs? nope. some men range from 110-140 lbs and some women range from 170-200 lbs and many more varieties

ou talking about the comparisons of sizes does nothing good for your argument. because of course someone bigger will have a more powerful punch than someone smaller, in most cases. that's just easy science

but did you know that some men may be 200+ lbs cus it's fat? what it a woman is smaller than him but completely compact with muscle. will her punch be stronger than his? most likely. just like a smaller man who has a lot of compact muscle will have a stronger pact than a fat girl. its just the way it works, chino

"Girlie, that is why in boxing and any martial arts pretty much they divide the challengers PER WEIGHT to make it even because a guy in his 200s vs a guy in his 110s will totally destroy him." i understand that, as stated above. but that has nothing to do with our original argument

but i DID, however say that a smaller guy with great technique will most likely kick the ass of a bigger guy with poor technique. it's just how it works.

"Now imagine a girile that has to fight barehanded against a guy who's above 200 pounds. Do the math."  

if she has better technique than him or is as big as him or bigger, she will most likely win.

"Joan of Arc was a peasant girl born in the East of France"

i said the word "usually". i figured you'd be able to comprehend that. i overestimated you

"She had to show her talent for someone to consider her obviously. So yeah, the women who did a thing or two in the history of military can be counted with my hand."

situations were very key back then. it completely depends on who was in charge at the time, what his personal views were, what the society was like, and such like that. you're not considering that at all. like a bigot would. see? like i said earlier: shutting off the ideas that are opposite than what you want to know

"Uuuuuuuuh, they would keep just a few girls for that same reason. "

well that's obvious, considering that they obviously had to reproduce somehow. but my point is the more women you have, the more men you will have. duhhh. cus they will produce more children

"Keeping more girls would mean more people in the city/group/whatever who would just be there consuming resources."

well duh. they'd consume resources to provide health enough to live and eventually carry a son that they so desperately and pathetically wnated. they really didn't think that throught the way they should have

yea other nations would not kill their baby females or avoid them, and they would be successful. lol. wanna try again?

"Don't confuse sexism with just being smart."  

lol i would never do that. sexism is very dumb and ignorant.  

"What will a girl contribute to the family?"

well, like i've said a hundred times already, women get jobs. they invent things. they help economy by being involved. women do just as many things as men. because we are human and have the capabilites that humans have. so we give just as many contributions to a family as any human would

"If your mom wants, she can squeeze every single coin from his bank account, keep his house (maybe she already did...just were you are living now), keep his benefits, etc. "

but she wont cus she doesn't need to

"So the government acts nice and gives the family a second opportunity to see if they have a boy who will contribute and not just consume resources."

and that's a very silly decision of theirs.

oh and just something to add, if you do research. there have been few militaries in the past that allowed both men and women to fight in wars. and guess what. that made their army really really huge, therefore they won. if you do the math, it makes perfect sense

listen, i'm being sincere right now. if it bothers you that you have to do all the stuff for girls that exism says you have to do, then discuss it with the next girl you go on a date with. tell her "i think it's only fair that we split the expenses. it's you're date too, not just mine." and if she refuses, then she is being either selfish or just continuing her sexist customs she's been tought. if she does that, it's your choice whether you still wanna court her or not. but there are many women in the world that would either be like "sure lets split the expenses" or be like "oh of course. i already planned on doing that anyway".  

please dont let the ways of old get in the way of you being able to help contribute to equality. if you see a girl who is conforming to sexist customs, talk to her about it maybe. some people dont even realize it when they are like that. it's just what they've been tought. maybe someone like you could open their mind to the idea of equality. i doubt you want to....you probably enjoy the complaining and enjoy the false idea that you're superior

i just thought i'd throw that suggestion out there.

Post edited at 11:42 am on Oct. 11, 2008 by Anonymous

Once again you are thinking in your little fantasy world that women can totally perform exactly as men when it comes to physical duties among other things.

this is year 2008. women have jobs now. women pay for their own houses

I repeat, I am not talking about girls being ABLE to do those things.  I am talking that girls, when involved in a relationship, are in the receiving end.  

and no the father does not have to beg to see his kid, in most situations. you're probably thinking of the situations where the father turns out to be an asshole

Nope, I am talking about how the law favors women and lets them keep the children.  Do some little research and you'll find that the law MOSTLY gives women the right to keep the children and guess what that means? It means that "in protection for the children" the mother gets to keep the house, the furniture, the cars, the investments, alimony bullshit, and a monthly check from the exhubby.  Regardless of the exhusband giving all that, he still has to beg to see his children for a few hours on the weekends.  

You give me an example about how terrible your sister's guy was.  You know what? I AGREE WITH YOU.  I am not talknig here blindly about how bad guys deserve the best.  I am talking about your everyday kind of normal relationships where in the end, women are favored and "protected" by the law.  There are even new laws out there where if the couple bf/gf breaks up, the girl can use the law to snatch everything away from her exboyfriend just like women do in divorce.  Of course, you won't complain as a girl.

his rights as father have been forfeited

I totally agree! Again, I am not talking about bad guys deserving nice treatment.

What do you think about the mothers that take advantage of pregnancy to have more paychecks from the government and the fathers?  Spreading their legs and bending over to get pregnant and spit babies out their pussy like watermelon seeds to cash more checks.  A common practice with lots of women.  Then you have those who throw themselves at rich men to score the lottery once they get pregnant.  

so in cases like that, you better believe the mom wont let the father see the baby

Again, I totally agree.  Nobody in their right mind would let a potential killer or dangerous guy be near their loved ones.  I am talking about normal couples who divorce for other non-violent reasons and the father has to go through all that crap.  What do you say about that?  He gets his house taken away, his furniture, his cars, his investments, etc.  He has to pay her alimony bullshit and give her his monthly salary until the kid reaches 18.  18 years of his life not having financial freedom whatsoever.  And still, can't see his children but for a few hours on the weekend.  What do you think about that? I already told you that dangerous guys don't deserve to even be near their ex and children.

women dont need men to support them while pregnant

Then explain why the government will even put men in jail for not letting women stay with the house, furniture, car, almiony, and sending her that fat paycheck.

you see, chino, if men dont want the baby, that's all fine and dandy for them. they can walk away and never speak to her again.

The woman can go to the government and they will track the mother fucker down and remove the money from his account, salary, etc.  Just like the government would do if someone doesn't pay their taxes.  So not wanting the baby is still bad news for him, he will be in trouble for not sending his fat ass exgirl the paycheck and handing her everything (house, etc.).  Now, if the man wants the baby but she doesn't and ends up killing the baby (abortion), tough luck for the guy, he just lost his baby.  What do you think about that?

like i said before, you're thinking like you're in the 50s.

No, I am not.  Back in the 50s the government didn't count with the technology we have today.  The government can track these men and snatch the money from their employer, bank account, etc.  just like the government does when someone doesn't pay their taxes.

you see all these women are getting college educations. why, you may ask? because they plan on having a well-paying steady career.

Or they can just marry a rich guy, divorce his ass right after the wedding is over, and get to keep all his shit just like many women around the world do.  We see it from celebrities to normal everyday guys who get screwed.

As for your mom, my respect for her.  
 

but you dont seem to understand something. it takes two to tango. in order for a woman to get pregnant, a man has to have copulated with he

So if it takes TWO to tango then tell me why the government doesn't make women pay HALF as well? If it takes TWO to tango then why does the government hands everything to the mother and leave the guy in debt for 18 years?  She spread her legs and bent over, the guy fucked her...TOOK TWO!  

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in SCA men dont "let the girl win" ya know why? cus sometimes the men kick the girl's asses as well. but in turn the girls often kick their asses as well.  

The usual.  A girl punching a guy and guys going "Wow! you hit pretty good" and happily laugh.  I wish I could do what I saw in the news a while back.  There was this guy in the USA who announced on the radio that he had a pair of tickets for N'Syn (back when they were a hot ticket) and he would be willing to give them away if any girl challenged him in a boxing ring.  He made the girls sign a contract before acknowledging that they could get hurt in the process.  Oh man! It was brutal!  The guy would go in there with no mercy and kick the living crap of all those girls.  Broken noses, broken jaws, teeth flying all over the place, black eyes, girls crying on the mat in fetal position, etc.  Guess what, the guy didn't get in trouble .  He had a contract to back him up.

This brings me back to a memory in elementary school.  There was this girl who always made fun of me when I went up to the board.  Sure, I got nervous and my voice be all shaky.  My body would be shaking too.  So whenever I went up there she would immitate me and the whole class would just laugh out loud while I almost peed my pants up there.  She had a high pitched voice and one day I decided to make fun of her.  She suddenly sneaked behind me and pulled my hair from behind so hard that she busted my neck.  I turned around and gave her a kick so hard that she ended on the floor in fetal position crying.  Teacher comes to the scene and guess who got in trouble...me!  Why? Well, because "I am a guy and no guy in his right mind should ever dare himself to hurt a poor little delicate lady.  A gentleman doesn't do that" so I was sent to the corner and she was hugged and "Ooooh poor little girl, are you ok sweetie?".

Another thing, women can blame guys for rape or sexual harassment and the law will normally favor women.  I feel bad for celebrities who get blamed falsely because even if they don't end up in jail their reputation is RUINED FOREVER and even loose their jobs while the girl prances her way out of court to look for another victim.

anyway, i told you that women kcik ass in BOTH categories in SCA. i told you that, you poor thing. lol. i'm starting to really feel sorry for you

Using SCA as an example makes me feel sorry for you.  

EVERY cop calls for backup, silly. not just female cops. i watch those cop shows. the male cop get his ass kicked all the time. and sometimes he wins. sometimes the female wins too

Put a 250 pound black male vs a flimsy delicate police officer that weights the typical 110 to 120 pounds.  Are you really that stupid to understand the difference in a punch from a 250 pound guy and a flimsy delicate useless 110 pound girl?

and about the SCA female fighter. you said "says who?" about her being one of the best
SCA is who. they actually confirmed her as one of the top champions.  

Uh huh.  Even if you sent me official stats, the whole SCA thing is a joke.  Use more relevant examples: sports, olympics, jobs, etc.  For the SCA go make a movie or work in a medieval time theme hotel or something.  Really, using the SCA as an example is quite poor.

please do me a favor. please. do some research and see if there is a local SCA around you. join and go to just like one or two practices. you'll have your ass handed to you

If it was really more than role play and acting.  I would love to challenge you and see you crying on the floor with my foot on your face telling you "You are just another girl who wants to act all tough with guys".  I can see guys around me going "Dude! Relax! She's a girl! Please stop!"

haha i'd like you to tell that to my old high school's basketball teams. the female team went way father than the male team. they were beasts.....the boys won way less games than the females

Once again, nice cheap shot.  The female team went farther IN THEIR GIRLIE LEAGUE.  

Just answer me, put the 2008 Olympic basketball gold medal teams (male vs female) face each other and tell me who would totally destroy who.  Don't try any cheap shots or to go around it, just answer, who would win?  

and anyway what i MEANT by saying "in sports like baseball and basketball, they don't even allow the sexes to play with each other. they have different leagues. it's ridiculous " is that the sexes should be able to play WITH each other. not against. women and men on the same team against other women and men on the same team. simple concept.

Sure, for that, you can have some nice happy time on your family reunions with even grandma and grandpa playing if they want.  But when it comes to real challenge and competition, you gotta separate them by gender or it will be a total waste to see guys beat the girls easily in ANY sport.  That is why it didn't take rocket science for THE WHOLE WORLD to separate sports in two genders: the male league and the female league.  And nope, its not sexism.

when i say "slowly but surely" i'm not saying we're not close yet. i'm just saying their still will be a little more time unill guys like you stop being closeminded and conceited

"Slowly but surely" still means we're not there yet.  And no, its not the guys, its the girls who don't permit it.  Go to google and type "who pays in a date" and see the countless of girls around the world writing articles on how men should take care of expenses.  Not only that but readers get to comment and agree.  Go on, I didn't make it up.  Which girl would like to leave that kind of comfortable lifestyle of having men do it all for them?

what proves this? we almost had a woman run for president

"Almost" still doesn't count.  The interesting thing is that not even women voted for a woman to be in charge.  Go figure!

"give a speech to her and both families, etc.".....what? who does that? what the crap? that's like sooooo in the past, dude. people dont give speaches to families anymore. for decades, the newly engaged couple will sit their family down in a room and spread the good news to them together

Whenever I tell you something that puts you in the corner you try to get away by saying its sexist or from the past, nice try.  But it would totally be sad for a couple to not have any kind of communication with the family and only give them the news without the family not even knowing what guy will marry their daughter.  If your family is not tight like that, what can I say.  But families normally want to know what the guy does for a living, can he take our precious daughter and take good care of her?, etc.  So the guy HAS to prove he is good marriage material.  Imagine the daughter going out with a convict and the family is like "Sure, go ahead, take our daughter" yeah right.  They have to know who the hell the guy is and what he does for a living at least.

and like i said women do contribute to dating and stuff like that. they pay for a lot for the weddings. most expenses nowadays are split in couples. we're getting out of sexism, whether you want to believe it or not. i know you want to tightly cling to conservative views like a baby blanket but eventually you're going to have to except that things have changed and they've been chan ged for decades and change a bit more each year.

Again, google the subject and tell me what you find? I have said this many times but you keep avoiding it.  Type "who pays in a date" or "dating tips" and you'll see many women that TODAY comment that men should do it all.  

i was disgussing this with guys a while back. they actually told me that they split expenses with their girlfriend nowadays. i mean why wouldn't they? this is a generation where women work all the time. so they have the money to pay for that stuff. so why wouldn't they pay for it.  

Exactly! Do girls out there exist who do contribute AS MUCH AS GUYS in the relationship? Umh, sure, maybe, why not? but still, the vast majority agree guys should do it all.  

i have no idea where you got that from. son, i've been to multiple weddings. and at each wedding, the groom gets just as many "congratulations" and compliments as the bride. just as much attention is given to him. the only difference in attention that they may get is that the bride might get "your wedding dress is so beautiful" and stuff but that's to be expected. would they spend a lot of time saying "oh groom, your tux is so grand and beautiful.....very plain and black....umm...yea..." no.

See? For whatever reason the groom is pretty much ignored.  But tell me something, can we say the grandiose glorious entrance from the bride is the same as the groom? You have to be kidding.  Congratulating? Sure, a pat on the shoulder or something, sure.  But as for the wedding as a whole, no way.  The groom is just the shadow of the bride.  

but ya wanna know something cool? my fiance is gonna have a really awesome outfit for our wedding. we're not quite sure what it's gonna look like exactly but me and him are going to design it together and make it together. on our wedding day, he's gonna get just as many "you look beautiful"s as i do

That would be great but I doubt it, weddings are for women.  Also, try to plan a grandiose glorious entrance just like yours .  

he eventually proposed

See what I mean? HE PROPOSED, not you.

when i get my ring for him, i am going to find a romantic setting and give him a speech.

Talk to us when you do it.  Let's see the evidence too or its just words.

but yes i see guys wearing their gf's letterman all the time. and she'll be wearing his as well.

Sure, an exchange for the day "I'll wear your jacket and you wear mine.  We are such a cute couple for exchanging jackets" kind of thing.  Couples exchange caps too and so on.  Sure, a cute couple thing but not what I am talking about.  

See a girl with her car on the side of the road and you'll have guys stopping by to help her change the tire.  Have a guy in that situation and NOBODY stops to help, why? Oh, because he's a guy, he should take care of himself.  It's not like girls would stop to help, YEAH RIGHT!

i understand that. you told me that already. and i told YOU that there are still some girls in the world who have sexist customs but i told you we're getting out of that.

"Getting out" but not out yet.  When we finally see equality, we'll talk.  Then call me feminist if you want but it annoys the fuck out of me if I go out and when its time to pay the girl suddenly has an urge to go to the ladies room, play with her phone, act distracted, etc.  Its like "girl, this involves BOTH of us, nobody twisted our arms to go out with each other so why the fuck do you expect me to take care of EVERYTHING?!" Sure, I don't mind inviting my date or friend the meal, movies, etc. but it goes BOTH WAYS not just her way.  If not, its like going out with my pet.  All he does for me is wag his tail or feth the ball, etc.  See, I'll open doors, pull the chair, etc.  It's cool.  But why not have the girl do the same for me?  

what a rediculous notion. why in the world would i ask my fiance to buy me a car when i can just get a job and save up the money for one. it would be rediculous to ask him for that favor. haha

Call it ridiculous or whatever you want but you could still get away with it, you're a girl, its fine.

i told you already: i'm a fulltime college student with no way to get around to and from work. so no job is able for me

I guess there are many fulltime college girls around the world who can't pitch in because, well, they are so busy with school.  So in the end for WHATEVER REASON guys will end up paying for everything.  

but when i have the money, i pay for gas and i treat my fiance out to eat and to a movie. i buy him gifts. because we're equal

It doesn't sound equal now, you are a full time college student or whatever and he's taking care of it all.  If you ever do then it is whenever you are able to have some money.  You just proved my point once again.  We'll talk when you are out of college but as for now, its not equal, he is paying for it, you just said it.

it's not a cheap shot it's just the truth. if you choose to ignore the truth, then i guess there's not much i can do. i tried to tell you the truth but ur embarrassed about being wrong so you try your own cheap shots by calling me a cheap shot. lol. THAT is what you call a cheap shot, chino. >_<

We are talking about physical endurance and so on but you go on saying that its not as necessary now because of machinery.  Like saying "Sure, we can't endure as men but...hey! machines are out there, so its fine".  That's why I said you tried another cheap shot.  

and you forget what i mentioned earlier. some women are just as big if not bigger than men. so if a smaller man fought a big woman and the woman won, does that make males the weaker sex? cus that's the same mentality you are usuing with women being the weaker sex. that's not the way it is

Nope, it would just make her a rare case.  When the world sees that women are as capable as men we'll have professional sports where both sexes are involved.  Nope, gotta separate them or it will be just plain ridiculous.  Now, put that women you mentioned with a guy THE SAME SIZE and tell me who would win.

nope. someone is a sexist bigot if they believe women are weaker and wont open their mind to other views. THAT'S what a sexist bigot is. and that's most likely what you friends are.

A girl is an ignorant twat if she doesn't understand the concept of men offering better results when it comes to jobs/sports that require physical strength.  

well, like i told you: it's about the individual. those individuals were weaker. i see and hear about men complaining and crying at the military too

Tell me how many women Navy Seals do you see out there.  Tell me how many female pilots do you see fighting.  It's not about being sexist.  Women have soooooooo many rights that they can sue the country for discrimination.  They simply don't quality for obvious reasons.

well, i dont know much about daycares so i can't contribute to that argument cus it is something i've never been introduced to. but i assure you i will look into it ;)
but beside that, i'm pretty sure i've seen guys working there before. i am just not very familiar with the subject of daycares so yea

Go look and tell me if you see a daycare full with men taking care of children.

ou talking about the comparisons of sizes does nothing good for your argument. because of course someone bigger will have a more powerful punch than someone smaller, in most cases. that's just easy science

So who's bigger in MOST cases? MEN!

but did you know that some men may be 200+ lbs cus it's fat? what it a woman is smaller than him but completely compact with muscle

Sure, fat guys running in the battle field...how ignorant can you be?  You know what boot camp is?  There's a reason why guys in the military are IN SHAPE!  So all those 200+ pounders you see there ARE IN SHAPE.  So put a 200+ pounder guy with a girl who is in her 110-120 (both in shape) and tell me who is a bigger threat to the enemy.  Put 5 110-120pound girls barehanded break in a house to catch the bad guys compared to 5 200+ pound guys break in a house.  The girls will probably have a hard time trying to knock the door down while the guys already have the bad guys on the floor with their foot on their necks.  Is it that hard for you to see?

will her punch be stronger than his? most likely. just like a smaller man who has a lot of compact muscle will have a stronger pact than a fat girl. its just the way it works, chino

Have you ever seen a sport called boxing or any martial art? There's a reason why they divide the sport by weight.  It's just unfair to have a 200pound guy deliver a kick to a guy who is 120 for example.  His impact will be WAY HARDER!  Get your calculator and do the math.

"Joan of Arc was a peasant girl born in the East of France"
i said the word "usually". i figured you'd be able to comprehend that. i overestimated you

I gave you an example to show you how things were not exactly like you said.  I already know your cheap shots.

well that's obvious, considering that they obviously had to reproduce somehow. but my point is the more women you have, the more men you will have. duhhh. cus they will produce more children

Nope, the more women they had the bigger burden they would have so just have a few vaginas spitting children out like watermelon seeds instead of more who would just be a burden.  Those countries had more boys than girls.  They rather kept the boys than the girls.  Boys would contribute, girls were only good for having children.

yea other nations would not kill their baby females or avoid them, and they would be successful. lol. wanna try again?

Guess why those countries in history conquered lots of territory .

"If your mom wants, she can squeeze every single coin from his bank account, keep his house (maybe she already did...just were you are living now), keep his benefits, etc. "

but she wont cus she doesn't need to

Well, too bad, she will have to work harder but being a woman, she can take advantage of how the law favors women over men and just hand her life in a silver platter.  She decided to live like that, its her decision, she could have it easier if she wants.

"So the government acts nice and gives the family a second opportunity to see if they have a boy who will contribute and not just consume resources."

and that's a very silly decision of theirs.

Families see it necessary to have a boy for obvious reasons.  A girl wouldn't do much specially if they lived in the country side.  Maybe she could knit a blanket or something like that.

"i think it's only fair that we split the expenses. it's you're date too, not just mine."

Great line .  Reason why I don't understand the vast majority of women around the world.  Are there very few out there who really get angry if they don't contribute AS MUCH as men? Sure, but still, like you have agreed, the process is "very slow".  It's cool when I have travelled around the world and hook up with a local.  Go out and when its time to pay see them quickly flash their money or sometimes even say they are going to the ladies room only to come back and say "Ok, le's check out another place" with a big smile on their face to surprise me that they already paid.  What do I do? I do the same next time, split, etc.  But its stuff it doesn't even have to be mentioned.  Now that, its what I call equality.  It happens raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarely but when it happens its more than welcomed.  

please don't let the ways of old get in the way of you being able to help contribute to equality
Yep, and believe me, I do it nicely.  I mean, why would I want to spoil the date with an argument.  So I'll do it calmly "...hhhhmmm help me with the math here ..." indicating how much we will split the cost in a playful way.  With this, I let her know that when we go out, that's how its going to be, it will INVOLVE BOTH.  Or I'll just snatch the bill/receipt quickly and take care of it because I feel like it.  If later I see that she gets all comfy and never ever even asks how much it was then fuck it!  She's not my kind.

maybe someone like you could open their mind to the idea of equality

I am but many girls feel its rude for a guy to do that, he's not a gentleman, etc.  

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once again, you're thinking like you live in the 50s.  
 

Once again you are thinking in your little fantasy world that women....
 

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 once again, you're thinking like you live in the 50s.
 

 Once again you are thinking in your little fantasy world that women....
 
 

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You're living in a cave not to notice that relationships revolve around women and laws and society will always favor women over men.