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A Question to Racial Nationalists of Any Kind
Replies: 59Last Post Nov. 2, 2008 6:42am by kidd rune
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So you're saying that large waves of migrants tend to retain their own cultures within the overall culture, and they're more or less able to simply because they have enough numbers to exclude themselves from the rest of society?  And through this, there are cultural clashes between this isolated group, other isolated groups, and society at large?

It would make sense, but again, why not just argue for their assimilation?  If they want to come live here, why shouldn't they just assimilate and you be happy with that?  The second and third generations usually do abandon this community at some point and join the mainstream society after all.


Sometimes it's too late - the culture is changed. Then, there are separate cultures in one nation. These cultures are influenced by a 3rd world nation, and influenced THEIR third world nation, usually pushing the US itself downwards.



And what would the problem with this be?  We're talking within the US only, not worldwide.  It's not as if the culture of their home country would disappear if they decided to move and assimilate into the US.
That's different. But the thing is - is it really possible for them to do that? Is it likely?
My experience and what I've seen/heard of tell me: no.


So because minorities tend to be poorer than usual, receive welfare more, and affirmative action is in place, you argue for having a society free of minorities?

Why not just denounce affirmative action, welfare, and all that, and push for greater integration so that these minorities aren't stuck in such low socioeconomic positions in society?



Who says nobody wants this? It's pretty much a lost cause.

And they have to be willing to integrate, don't they?



If you grow dependent on the government and aspire for nothing more believing that you can't achieve anything more because you're of whatever race, what would you expect?  Greater integration (which isn't forced) would lead to an end of that.
Well, you can't expect it to happen can you? People want to practice their own culture, when more than one exists, they clash.


Nah, the most sensible course of action is to separate the white individuals of today from the whites of the past.  Whites today are not guilty because whites in the past enslaved others, engaged in imperialism, passed discriminatory laws, etc.  Most minorities I've known do this, but there are quite a few, and whites too, who don't.  If you really oppose this, then you'd enlighten them to that fact as opposed to simply running away from the whole thing.
"enlighten them to that fact"
I've been doing so Bud, and I get called a racist, White Supremacist, race-hating, genocide instigating, KKK member, Nigger lynching Nazi.

The truth isn't always accepted y'know.


There is no loss of individuality by assimilating into a new culture.  You're still an individual who exhibits individual characteristics.  You still have your origins in a foreign place.  You just simply live in a new culture.  Same person, different circumstances.  No loss of individuality - it's merely just a change.
Cultural individuality is lost.


Which would lead you to believe that they'd seek out their differences between each other more in terms of individual differences as opposed to collective differences (like race), no?
But their area is built to accommodate these cultural qualities - such as there being a lot of Mexican food in Texas, yet a lot of German food in North Dakota.



I asked you first.  At our present state, it'd be far more convenient to simply have everyone in the US to assimilate into one culture with each individual adding his or her own piece of their culture into that mix and integrate.  You clearly need to establish and prove some kind of significance and why the benefits would be greater than the costs if what you suggest is to ever work out.

"adding his or her own piece of their culture"
They shouldn't add anything. This isn't Mexico, therefore Mexican culture has no place here. This isn't Japan, therefore Japanese culture has no place here.

Instead of mixing up cultures and destroying previously existing characteristics, why not let people observe multiculturalism themselves? Then, the people that want it can have it - and the people that don't want it don't have to be in it.

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occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Ok 1st most races aren't "pure" as it is because in the days of slavery white slave masters would rape the black female houseworkers, fieldworkers etc. SO no matter how much you say the white race is pure or the black race is pure it is not in actually. You can look now and even back then that most all races mixed thus not making any general race pure. I do see why there is a problem with mixing races because little do some people know you could say your Asian but your great-grandfather is white but you still consider yourself Asian because racial mixing in unacceptable. But your questions are very "hair raising" I suppose you can say for a person to truly answer these questions they have to put there race  aside and look at it in a more open minded kind of way you could say

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Ok 1st most races aren't "pure" as it is because in the days of slavery white slave masters would rape the black female houseworkers, fieldworkers etc.
Because race only exists in the USA, Whites haven't immigrated after slavery, and that all Whites had slaves.

Oh, wait - More Whites are in Europe than the USA, many Whites immigrated into the US AFTER slavery was abolished, and most Whites never had, wanted, or could afford slaves.



SO no matter how much you say the white race is pure or the black race is pure it is not in actually.
Again, this is only pertaining to the US and some other countries. Of course, the Negro gene pool in the USA is about 30% or so White, but that's due to the 1/2 White, 1/2 Black being called a Negro instead of mulatto.


You can look now and even back then that most all races mixed thus not making any general race pure.
Are you referring to the USA or what?


I do see why there is a problem with mixing races because little do some people know you could say your Asian but your great-grandfather is white but you still consider yourself Asian because racial mixing in unacceptable.
Most people don't call themselves one race because they don't like mixing, but because they are mostly that race (or viewed as that race).

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:48 pm on Oct. 10, 2008

If everyone mixed, people would be more similar than if everyone was different.
Yeah and no. I don't even LOOK like my sisters. mixed non whites dont look like each other or even behave like each other even if they the same mix type.

They might be more tolerant because they know what its like to be different. But if everyone is mixed it dont mean also that ppl wil always get along either.

I'd hope they do but its not like a garantee.

what matters is the choice we make. So if everybody is mixed and agree that racedon't matter then at least that problem can get out of the way.

 


These cultures are influenced by a 3rd world nation, and influenced THEIR third world nation, usually pushing the US itself downwards.
Japan is first world nation. Vietnam is 3rd world nation

So does that mean you cool with anime and Japanese culture but not with Vietnamese?

Barbados is a First world country. Brazil is a third world country. So does that mean you cool with Barabados culture but not Brazilian culture?

Israel is First world nation but Egypt is more third world. Does that mean you cool with Israeli culture but not with Egyptian culture?

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Yeah and no. I don't even LOOK like my sisters. mixed non whites dont look like each other or even behave like each other even if they the same mix type.

They might be more tolerant because they know what its like to be different. But if everyone is mixed it dont mean also that ppl wil always get along either.

I'd hope they do but its not like a garantee.

what matters is the choice we make. So if everybody is mixed and agree that racedon't matter then at least that problem can get out of the way.


If nobody mixed and they agreed that race doesn't matter it would be all around better, correct?

But, mixed or not, people won't say race "Doesn't matter," or they'll find something else to separate themselves by.


Japan is first world nation. Vietnam is 3rd world nation

So does that mean you cool with anime and Japanese culture but not with Vietnamese?

Barbados is a First world country. Brazil is a third world country. So does that mean you cool with Barabados culture but not Brazilian culture?

Israel is First world nation but Egypt is more third world. Does that mean you cool with Israeli culture but not with Egyptian culture?


Most of the immigrants coming into the USA are from 3rd world countries, if not a large portion.

Any foreign culture has no place here outside of the house of the immigrant.

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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Quote: from kidd rune at 8:47 am on Oct. 11, 2008

Any foreign culture has no place here outside of the house of the immigrant.

What, for you, constitutes culture stepping outside the house of the immigrant?


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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:24 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

He's mocking me.

To be totally fair, I'm mocking the views I take you to represent, not you personally. I don't know you. Please don't take any nasty/frustrated comments/behaviors on my part as personal attacks.


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What, for you, constitutes culture stepping outside the house of the immigrant?
It having a public influence.

Nobody should have to see it if they don't want to.


To be totally fair, I'm mocking the views I take you to represent, not you personally. I don't know you. Please don't take any nasty/frustrated comments/behaviors on my part as personal attacks.
Alright...

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Quote: from kidd rune at 8:47 am on Oct. 11, 2008

If nobody mixed and they agreed that race doesn't matter it would be all around better, correct?
 Not better. The same.


But, mixed or not, people won't say race "Doesn't matter," or they'll find something else to separate themselves by.
Peopl like you, you mean?


Any foreign culture has no place here outside of the house of the immigrant.
The US is MADE of immigrants who were foreigners before they became citizens. So your point fails.

Post edited at 4:06 am on Oct. 13, 2008 by jakelong

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Maybe, it's just that some people feel that they deserve more in their countries.
In America, some races have obviously done more than others, they feel that they deserve the right to be in America. Think about the millions of slaves that built this country, and to this day African-Americans do not get nearly as much respect that they deserve.

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KR thinks that if your a slvae you didn't contribute anything to the country  

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 Not better. The same.
But they would agree that race doesn't matter - ending racism, racialism, ect.



Peopl like you, you mean?
I like to be with people like me, what can I say? Horses run with their breed too.



The US is MADE of immigrants who were foreigners before they became citizens. So your point fails.
What do you consider an immigrant?


KR thinks that if your a slvae you didn't contribute anything to the country
That's a lie, they picked a lot of cotton while Whites were creating the country, signing the declaration of independence, the constitution, fighting the British, ect.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:16 pm on Oct. 13, 2008

But they would agree that race doesn't matter - ending racism, racialism, ect.
It does not matter to me if they mix or not if that's what you asking.


]I like to be with people like me, what can I say? Horses run with their breed too.
And they can be made to accept to be bridled and led by the bit too.


What do you consider an immigrant?
Someone who comes from another country and immigrates to a new country.


That's a lie, they picked a lot of cotton while Whites were creating the country, signing the declaration of independence, the constitution, fighting the British, ect.
So you value their contribution?

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races may be equal, but we aren't treated equally by the racist society that we live in. Being Native American, having never had the option of having a nation, I am for having more Indian Nationalism. Reservations are officially sovereign nations but in fact just get screwed over by the U.S. government by that status. We need actual sovereignty.

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It does not matter to me if they mix or not if that's what you asking.
Yeah, I assume that as you're mixed yourself.



And they can be made to accept to be bridled and led by the bit too.
Similar to Whites... I see...



Someone who comes from another country and immigrates to a new country.
Then good ol' George Washington wasn't an immigrant.



So you value their contribution?
I'm sure their cotton kept my ancestors quite warm, but it would be foolish to value that over many White contributions.

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occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
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