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How do you know you are saved?
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I was explined that faith produces good works and that a CHristian who believes in God but does not produce good works is not saved. Faith is all that is necessary to be saved and faith produces good works, so isn't that saying one who still does bad deeds was never savbed in the first place?

Almost everyone sins, so where is the line? How much bad...good? I'm confused, tis late.


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you don't ask this kind of question on LW. ur only gonna get sarcastic answers

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In my religion it is believed that to be saved all you need is faith in Christ. Sins are forgiven because God is merciful and sacrificed Christ for our forgiveness.

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There is no objective standard by which to measure whether or not you are saved, and that we desire one is simply a product of our human need to reduce everything to easy to manage, quantifiable sums.  It doesn't work like that.

For example, 1 John will say that it is written so that the readers may know that they have eternal life.  Love is the standard by which he judges.  1 Peter, on the other hand, has little to say about love.  It points out instead that baptism enters us into salvation, not by a physical washing of course, but by the pledge of a good conscience toward God.  Acts presents a similar picture.  James, assuming that faith is what saves, points out that your faith isn't really faith unless it produces good works.  Jesus says something similar when he points out that a bad tree cannot produce good fruit.  Paul argues in Romans for a more strict faith based salvation saying that good works, while a reaction to salvation, are not the measure of it.  Moreover, 1 Corinthians gives a clear picture that once in the church, one's immorality can cause someone to functionally cease to be saved and thus require them to be put out of the church.

It's not cut and dry and there is no a = b formula that is going to help you grasp it.  I will confidently say however, that I believe that if you are saved then it will manifest itself in a very real way in your behavior.  That is not to say that to sin is to lose one's salvation.  1 John reminds us that if we confess our sins, God is faithful and will forgive us.  (That's the same 1 John who says that if you think you're in the light but do not love your brother than you're fooling yourself.)

If this question is born out of a personal struggle about whether or not you're saved, I encourage you to read 1 John 3, verse 20 of which reminds us that even when our own hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts.  He knows everything, and He, not our hearts, is the ultimate judge of our salvation.  Part of the beauty of faith is that it requires us to throw ourselves on the mercy of the Father in some sense of uncertainty trusting in his grace.

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When someone has faith in God, and has asked Him to come into their heart, they are saved. Nothing changes it. You can't lose your salvation. When you sin, you repent, then you're forgiven. And if you're smart you won't do it again.

I feel incredibly awkward telling you this because I'm Atheist. So, yeahhh...weird.

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