Example, has creationism help create a new hybrid fruit? How about play a role in finding the organisms that were turned into oil and gas? Has it helped understand the necessary modifications and additions of genes to plants to produce new strains of grains? Does it help engineers understand the replenish rates of water tables?

Post edited at 11:31 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 by obvious child

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Can anyone think of anything other then publishing that is a commercial product of literal creationist 'science?'

Example, has creationism help create a new hybrid fruit? How about play a role in finding the organisms that were turned into oil and gas? Has it helped understand the necessary modifications and additions of genes to plants to produce new strains of grains? Does it help engineers understand the replenish rates of water tables?

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Does Kirk Cameron count as publishing?

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what has the theory of evolution created in terms of commercial products besides publication?

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Direct Applications:
Genetic algorithm
Custom Enzyme Production

Currently in the works are stem cells.
Evolution's part in Stem Cell Research

Population genetic, heavily used in agriculture.

Indirectly, TOE's timeframe of billions of years on Earth helps explain an indirect applications.

1) Radioactivity and its relation to nuclear power plants and weapons
2) Water tables and their replenish rates.

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The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer. The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old, which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity. This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock, which would provide a minimum age for the fossil.

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http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=508&m=1

3) Geology, specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil. Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there. One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms.

I'm not holding my breath for any non-publishing Creationist commercial product.

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biological evolution pretty much means change in populations

the theory of evolution says that all life evolved from a common ancestor

what has the theory of evolution specifically produced in terms of commercial products?

what products would not have been produced if the belief that man evolved from a common ancestor never existed?

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there's a distinction between the theory of evolution and biological evolution

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No there isn't. Biological evolution is TOE.

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biological evolution pretty much means change in populations  

the theory of evolution says that all life evolved from a common ancestor

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Which is the same thing. Good job. Biological evolution is the evolution of biological organisms which is defined by the TOE.

The rest of your post is invalid as biological evolution = TOE.

And this thread is about the Commercial Products of Creationism.

Stop trying to turn into a discussion on evolution.

Your false dichotomy is soon to be reported.

Post edited at 6:50 pm on Sep. 19, 2008 by obvious child

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biological evolution isn't the issue here, it's the theory of evolution that's controversial

so, what has the theory of evolution, the belief that all life evolved from common ancestor produced?

you know there isn't anything and yet you don't want to admit it

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the theory of evolution makes statements BASED on biological evolution, it is not biological evolution, not by a long shot

biological evolution isn't the issue here, it's the theory of evolution that's controversial

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Incorrect.
Again, biological evolution IS the theory of evolution.

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That this happens is a fact. Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory. See the Evolution is a Fact and a Theory FAQ, the Introduction to Evolutionary Biology FAQ and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution is Only a theory.

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http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

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so, what has the theory of evolution, the belief that all life evolved from common ancestor produced?

you know there isn't anything and yet you don't want to admit it

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Pretending that biological evolution is different the the theory of evolution is dishonest.

Where is your product from Creationism?

Stop trying to change the subject.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

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Evolution is both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][4][6][7] The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

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That doesn't in any ways prove your claim that biological evolution is not TOE.

In fact that quote proves that evolution does have facts. Thanks for citing it for me. I'll bring that up next time you declare evolution to be false.

Where is your product from Creationism?

Post edited at 7:48 pm on Sep. 19, 2008 by obvious child

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Uh, all that says is that the theory of evolution has parts unproven, but that there are facts of evolution.

That doesn't in any ways prove your claim that biological evolution is not TOE.

In fact that quote proves that evolution does have facts. Thanks for citing it for me. I'll bring that up next time you declare evolution to be false.  

Where is your product from Creationism?

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not true at all, the fact and theory part are clearly distinguished

the observed changes in populations is not the issue here

the issue is the theory of evolution, which states that all life has a common ancestor

there's a clear distinction

By saying there's not, you're making a bold-faced lie.

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not true at all, the fact and theory part are clearly distinguished

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Such as? Because you said so?  

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the observed changes in populations is not the issue here

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That is the defining feature of evolution, change in allele frequencies over time. You haven't learned a single thing about evolution yet.

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the issue is the theory of evolution, which states that all life has a common ancestor

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And which you have yet to prove is different from biological evolution. Your own quote doesn't help you.

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there's a clear distinction

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Because you said so? Where is the evidence?

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By saying there's not, you're making a bold-faced lie.

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Where lie means anything you do not like.

Name me a single product.

And you again being dishonest. This is about commercial products of Creationism.

I see you can't even name one non-publishing one.

Post edited at 8:05 pm on Sep. 19, 2008 by obvious child

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OC, you really might want to abstain here...he does bad things to your blood pressure.

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Nah, I have a plan. It's called Get Yankee fan BANNED FOREVER.

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