Quote: from obvious child at 9:09 pm on Sep. 22, 2008Since Yankee fan is clearly incapable of proving his point much less arguing via any other method then ad naseum, can someone explain to me how a quote that merely says there are facts of evolution and the overarching theory are different means biological evolution is not the theory of evolution?

your implicit argument is that they are synonymous

Post edited at 7:06 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 by yankeefan

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That's not what you said before.

Quote: from obvious child at 9:09 pm on Sep. 22, 2008Since Yankee fan is clearly incapable of proving his point much less arguing via any other method then ad naseum, can someone explain to me how a quote that merely says there are facts of evolution and the overarching theory are different means biological evolution is not the theory of evolution?

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For the last time, all that statement says is that there are facts and there is the theory.

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All that quote says is that their are facts of evolution and there is the overarching TOE.

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Uh, that is what I've been saying. I realize your reading comprehension is severely stunted for whatever reason, but please try comprehend it.

Seriously, the vodka's not that good.  

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

and you failed to answer the question

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?

You just stated that the quote you quoted said the same thing I've been saying it said all along. And now you drop that quote.

Amusing.

And to answer your question, without the TOE, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.

I'm still waiting for your imaginary product.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Not going to own up to your lies?

You just stated that the quote you quoted said the same thing I've been saying it said all along. And now you drop that quote.  

Amusing.  

And to answer your question, without the TOE, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.  

I'm still waiting for your imaginary product.

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without creationism, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.

Your argument has been clear from the beginning, you have always implied that the theory of evolution and biological evolution are synonymous, the SAME.  That is a completely lie and I'm glad you have FINALLY dropped that argument.

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without creationism, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.

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lol. So where is your product that is derived from creationism science?  

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Your argument has been clear from the beginning, you have always implied that the theory of evolution and biological evolution are synonymous, the SAME. That is a completely lie and I'm glad you have FINALLY dropped that argument.

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How is it a lie? The quote you stated doesn't even address that! And you JUST stated what I've been stating about the quote all along.

So now instead of a quote that is irrelevant and you trying to pass it of as relevant, all you have now is "I say so."

Not that I'm surprised....

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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lol. So where is your product that is derived from creationism science?

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lol. So where is your product that is derived from evolutionary science?

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How is it a lie? The quote you stated doesn't even address that! And you JUST stated what I've been stating about the quote all along.

So now instead of a quote that is irrelevant and you trying to pass it of as relevant, all you have now is "I say so."  

Not that I'm surprised....

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your argument was implied from the beginning

theory of evolution =/= biological evolution and yet you've repeatedly said that it was

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lol. So where is your product that is derived from evolutionary science?

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Direct Applications:
Genetic algorithm
Custom Enzyme Production

Currently in the works are stem cells.  
Evolution's part in Stem Cell Research

Population genetic, heavily used in agriculture.  

Indirectly, TOE's timeframe of billions of years on Earth helps explain an indirect applications.

1) Radioactivity and its relation to nuclear power plants and weapons
2) Water tables and their replenish rates.

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The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer. The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old, which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity. This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock, which would provide a minimum age for the fossil.

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http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=508&m=1

3) Geology, specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil. Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there. One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms.  

I'm not holding my breath for any non-publishing Creationist commercial product.

No problem. I already provided that to you twice.

Where is your product from creationism?

Or is that you have nothing and can't keep the discussion honest?

If you were honest and if you were trying to be a good christian, you wouldn't be engaging in such massive dishonesty.  

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your argument was implied from the beginning

theory of evolution =/= biological evolution and yet you've repeatedly said that it was

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Why aren't they the same? Or is that you have nothing but "I say so?"

I see you dropped the quote. About time.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

so once again:

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?

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that's not the same as the theory of evolution; those products would have existed regardless if anybody believes that all life evolved from a common ancestor

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You can keep pretending that they aren't, but you'll be pretending.

It's clear you have no product. If you did, you could have easily cited it.

Instead you are relying on the known dishonest tactic of changing the subject. Creationism can never be argued on its own merits. Thus is relies on a false dichotomy that if evolution is wrong, it is right. By that logic, if the sky is not orange, it must be pink.

Prove that biological evolution is not the same as the TOE. And "I say so" is not proof. It's idiocy.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?

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I've asked a question repeatedly and all you can say is "you're wrong".

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?

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And to answer your question, without the TOE, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.  

I already answered your question. Therefore you are a liar since you said I only said "you're wrong." Which by the way I haven't said yet.

I've already given you numerous products.

Where is yours?

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Quote: from yankeefan at 4:46 pm on Sep. 22, 2008

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I've asked a question repeatedly and all you can say is "you're wrong".  

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?  

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And to answer your question, without the TOE, there wouldn't be mankind to invent stuff.  

I already answered your question. Therefore you are a liar since you said I only said "you're wrong." Which by the way I haven't said yet.  

I've already given you numerous products.

Where is yours?

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According to you, if you don't believe in something, IT AUTOMATICALLY NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

According to you, mankind wouldn't exist if Darwin didn't pioneer this wacky theory.  

try again when you pass grade school
thanks.

Post edited at 7:57 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 by yankeefan