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Just for starters, Christopher Columbus decided to sail west to reach the east when he read in the bible where it says that "God puts his foot on the sphere of the Earth." SO I'd say that was a major product from religion.

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Rank mysticism! Get back in the dark ages where you belong.

Everyone knew the earth was round by the time Columbus came on the scene, no great biblical contribution there. I'm also having trouble finding the bible verse you quoted...

yankeefan. Are you actually a creationist of some sort or are you just going through the motions for the sake of it? because that would explain your failure to actually answer the question.

Thanks for playing.

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yankeefan. Are you actually a creationist of some sort or are you just going through the motions for the sake of it? because that would explain your failure to actually answer the question.

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He's actually a creationist. Yankeefan has such a history of avoiding questions and being perpetually wrong that I hope you sense it and are able to muster a giggle when he accuses OC of lying and such.

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And since you haven't, I shall. Every YEC is fucking stupid. But instead of looking down upon them, try seeing them as stand-up comedians:

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Argument via ridicule and funny images? I think that's valid.

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Well, it's also a bit untrue. You don't have to be stupid to be a YEC, you just have to be obstinately ignorant in that arena. I know many people who are incredibly intelligent, but are YECs because they simply don't want to believe otherwise. Simply refusing to acknowledge facts doesn't make you unintelligent; it only makes you some form of ignorant/obstinate.

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Argument Via Ad Naseum. Try again.  

Thanks for playing.

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Quote: from obvious child at 11:30 pm on Sep. 19, 2008

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Thanks. Biological evolution is the TOE. Thanks for playing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

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Evolution is both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][4][6][7]  The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

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again, not my fault you're a liar who refuses to acknowledge facts

obvious_child = compulsive liar

try to debate when you can do so without resorting to dishonesty

but then, I'm not sure what other kind of people there are on the site

so I'm at a bit of a loss

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But quite frankly I can't expect much from someone who can't read properly.

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I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how that quote proves biological evolution is not the theory of evolution.  

But quite frankly I can't expect much from someone who can't read properly.

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Well, you see, the quote makes you a liar, and your requests for a justification as to why are disregarded by simply reposting the quote with segments in a larger font in the hopes that maybe someone else will read into it what I myself can't adequately explain, because shut up you liar stop lying about your lies LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Post edited at 6:03 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 by TheOtherHorseman

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Since Yankee fan is clearly incapable of proving his point much less arguing via any other method then ad naseum, can someone explain to me how a quote that merely says there are facts of evolution and the overarching theory are different means biological evolution is not the theory of evolution?

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Let's call them "the fact of biological evolution" and "the theory of biological evolution." I adore being maximally explicit.

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Since Yankee fan is clearly incapable of proving his point much less arguing via any other method then ad naseum, can someone explain to me how a quote that merely says there are facts of evolution and the overarching theory are different means biological evolution is not the theory of evolution?

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that's not it at all

it clearly says that the observable facts and the theory are not the same; they are differentiated from each other

you saying they are the same is completely ignoring the facts and proves that you are a complete liar

you have yet to show how the theory of evolution has produced any commercial products

If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor never existed, what products would not have been produced besides publication?

Post edited at 6:59 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 by yankeefan

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it clearly says that the observable facts and the theory are not the same; they are differentiated from each other

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Thanks. I said that a few pages ago. That there are facts and there is the over arching theory. You may be a bit late, but better late then never to the party. Help yourself to the drinks.  

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All that quote says is that their are facts of evolution and there is the overarching TOE.

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For the last time, all that statement says is that there are facts and there is the theory.

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Do I need to write it out in simple one syllable terms you can understand?

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you saying they are the same is completely ignoring the facts and proves that you are a complete liar

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Hmmm, given the two quotes from myself saying that they aren't the same, you would appear to be the one that is lying.  

But anyways, thanks for saying that the quote says what I said it said a page ago. Don't get too drunk on the free vodka.

Argument via ad nasuem doesn't work. Explain to me how the observable facts and the theory are not the same means that biological evolution is not the same as TOE.

btw, where is your product from creationism?

Post edited at 7:03 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 by obvious child

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