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Quote: from yankeefan at 4:59 pm on Sep. 19, 2008

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not true at all, the fact and theory part are clearly distinguished

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Such as? Because you said so?  

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the observed changes in populations is not the issue here

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That is the defining feature of evolution, change in allele frequencies over time. You haven't learned a single thing about evolution yet.

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the issue is the theory of evolution, which states that all life has a common ancestor

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And which you have yet to prove is different from biological evolution. Your own quote doesn't help you.

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there's a clear distinction

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Because you said so? Where is the evidence?

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By saying there's not, you're making a bold-faced lie.

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Where lie means anything you do not like.

 Name me a single product.

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Evolution is both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][4][6][7]   The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

I've presented you the evidence and yet you've plead ignorance and refuse to acknowledge it; you are a liar, plain and simple

WHERE IS YOUR CREATIONIST COMMERCIAL PRODUCT?

This thread is about the commercial products of Creationism. I have provided numerous products and services that are derived from Evolution.

Where is the stuff from creationism?

STOP WITH THE MASSIVE DISHONESTY.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Come again? How does that prove that biological evolution is different from the TOE? All that quote says is that their are facts of evolution and there is the overarching TOE. It does not state that biological evolution is not the same thing.  

WHERE IS YOUR CREATIONIST COMMERCIAL PRODUCT?

This thread is about the commercial products of Creationism. I have provided numerous products and services that are derived from Evolution.

Where is the stuff from creationism?

STOP WITH THE MASSIVE DISHONESTY.

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you've come up with commercial products which are dervied from biological evolution, evolution as a fact, observable evolution, different from the theory of evolution which is the controversial topic all the debate is centered on

Evolution is both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][4][6][7]   The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

the fact that you can't admit you're wrong after I show you clear evidence is proof that you're nothing but a liar

the text couldn't be more clearer

theory of evolution is distinct from observed changes in a population

How does that prove that biological evolution is different from the TOE when it doesn't even cite biological evolution?

And I take your constant failure to provide any product that Creationism HAS NO COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Your entire argument is "I say so." For the last time, all that statement says is that there are facts and there is the theory. It does not even mention the term biological evolution.

How does that prove that biological evolution is different from the TOE when it doesn't even cite biological evolution?  

And I take your constant failure to provide any product that Creationism HAS NO COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS.

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is evolution not biological?  Hello?  I mean COME ON, do better.

the theory of evolution has no products.  period.

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is evolution not biological? Hello? I mean COME ON, do better.

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Thanks. Biological evolution is the TOE. Thanks for playing.  

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the theory of evolution has no products. period.

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Incorrect as usual.

Direct Applications:
Genetic algorithm
Custom Enzyme Production

Currently in the works are stem cells.  
Evolution's part in Stem Cell Research

Population genetic, heavily used in agriculture.  

Indirectly, TOE's timeframe of billions of years on Earth helps explain an indirect applications.

1) Radioactivity and its relation to nuclear power plants and weapons
2) Water tables and their replenish rates.

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The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer. The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old, which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity. This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock, which would provide a minimum age for the fossil.

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http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=508&m=1

3) Geology, specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil. Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there. One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms.  

Ignoring whatever you want just shows how weak your arguments are.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

Here's the deal.

We stop this bitching over evolution/creationism and take it to a dedicated forum.

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dBoard.cgi?sst=true

Register there. You'll find my screen name easily with over 500 posts.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Thanks. Biological evolution is the TOE. Thanks for playing.

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[size =3]The theory of evolution is distinct from biological evolution.  Your failure to acknowledge it proves that you're a liar.

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Incorrect as usual.  

Direct Applications:  
Genetic algorithm  
Custom Enzyme Production  

Currently in the works are stem cells.
Evolution's part in Stem Cell Research  

Population genetic, heavily used in agriculture.

Indirectly, TOE's timeframe of billions of years on Earth helps explain an indirect applications.  

1) Radioactivity and its relation to nuclear power plants and weapons  
2) Water tables and their replenish rates.  

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The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer. The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old, which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity. This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock, which would provide a minimum age for the fossil.

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http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=508&m=1  

3) Geology, specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil. Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there. One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms.

Ignoring whatever you want just shows how weak your arguments are.

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Wrong as usual.  The theory of evolution does not come into play.  If the belief that all life evolved from a common ancestor is eliminated those products would still be here.

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Yank's just up to his typical "I say so." He's afraid to go to a forum of real, practicing scientists.

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Lying again.  I specifically provided evidence which states that the theory is clearly distinct.

This is a classic example of another one of your lies and your refusal to face facts.

But we may have to give you a pass given your inability to read.

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"I give the probability of this working at zero" - Dan DeMatteo

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Evolution is both theory and fact. This statement, or something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2][3][4][5][4][6][7]  The point of this statement is to differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the "theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of how those changes came about.

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again, not my fault you're a liar who refuses to acknowledge facts

Post edited at 7:31 pm on Sep. 21, 2008 by yankeefan