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Imagine this situation:

You live in a poor suburb, and there is a very old woman, which will soon die anyway, and she is a pawnbroker. She is rich, unlike everyone else in the area. And she got rich by putting up insane interest rates, so high that most people couldn't repay, so she would sell their pawns. Anyway, she accumulated all that wealth, and she is hated in the neighborhood because of being a really bad person.

a) If someone was to kill her and take her money, and distribute it to the poor in the area (which would result in many lives being improved a lot), would you consider him a good or bad person? Also take in account that she is very old and is about to die anyway.

b) Would you do it yourself?

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She raised interest rates after somebody pawned something?

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a) It depends on their intentions in doing this.

b) No I would report her ass to the district attorney.

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I don't recognise the question - but no, whoever killed her wouldn't be in the right, and I wouldn't kill her myself either.

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Quote: from Nikki at 11:54 am on Sep. 24, 2008

I don't recognise the question - but no, whoever killed her wouldn't be in the right, and I wouldn't kill her myself either.
Agreed.  Why have a Judiciary system of government if we all were allowed to arbitrarily decide both intention and necessity of murder solely for the purpose of distribution to the Common Wealth?  Also, being a Capitalistic society promoting greed at the expense of moral behavior honestly shouldn't be the sole reason as to merit a death sentence regardless of intentions.

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Quote: from fenrir at 10:03 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Nikki at 11:54 am on Sep. 24, 2008

I don't recognise the question - but no, whoever killed her wouldn't be in the right, and I wouldn't kill her myself either.
Agreed. Why have a Judiciary system of government if we all were allowed to arbitrarily decide both intention and necessity of murder solely for the purpose of distribution to the Common Wealth? Also, being a Capitalistic society promoting greed at the expense of moral behavior honestly shouldn't be the sole reason as to merit a death sentence regardless of intentions.

What's legal isn't necessarily what's right, we're talking about what's right here.

What I meant to say which is what I was saying in the beginning which is what the MOTHER FUCKING QUESTION ASKS is that the person who did this could still be considered a good person if they did it for the right reasons even though yes, it would also be illegal and it would be murder.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 6:14 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 10:03 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Nikki at 11:54 am on Sep. 24, 2008

I don't recognise the question - but no, whoever killed her wouldn't be in the right, and I wouldn't kill her myself either.
Agreed.  Why have a Judiciary system of government if we all were allowed to arbitrarily decide both intention and necessity of murder solely for the purpose of distribution to the Common Wealth?  Also, being a Capitalistic society promoting greed at the expense of moral behavior honestly shouldn't be the sole reason as to merit a death sentence regardless of intentions.

What's legal isn't necessarily what's right, we're talking about what's right here.

Murder isn't right, either. You can't argue that killing her off to get her money is moral.

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Quote: from Nikki at 10:17 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 6:14 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 10:03 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Nikki at 11:54 am on Sep. 24, 2008

I don't recognise the question - but no, whoever killed her wouldn't be in the right, and I wouldn't kill her myself either.
Agreed. Why have a Judiciary system of government if we all were allowed to arbitrarily decide both intention and necessity of murder solely for the purpose of distribution to the Common Wealth? Also, being a Capitalistic society promoting greed at the expense of moral behavior honestly shouldn't be the sole reason as to merit a death sentence regardless of intentions.

What's legal isn't necessarily what's right, we're talking about what's right here.

Murder isn't right, either. You can't argue that killing her off to get her money is moral.


If the person was trying to do good, that's what counts.  

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Not really - it's the unfair killing of someone else. That woman may have raised interest rates or whatever to become wealthy, but that doesn't mean she deserves to die for it.

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She was already dying he was just stopping her from leaving all her monies to somebody else.

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It's still murder, though, even if she was about to die. Who's to say that the day after her death all the poor people don't suddenly die in a fire, or something?

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Or even worse, is simply having money considered a crime against humanity if we still have a double digits percentage who routinely live below the poverty line?  Or if one choses not to give to a particular charity, should that be grounds for immediate execution, as well?

Unfortunately, what your proposing is not justice, but vigilantism.  We live in a day where simply being rich should not be a justification for cold blooded murder.

Beware a slippery slope whenever arbitrarily designating whomever is Evil.

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To make the situation clear:
This is the plot of F. Dostoevsky's novel "Crime and Punishment". I'm reading it at the moment so I thought of posting it here. It all happens in Petrograd (St. Petersburg) in Russia, in the middle of 19. century.
And there is no legal system to distribute the wealth or tax her in any significant way. And she is intending to leave all the money to a Christian monastery, to ensure 'the welfare of her soul'. In the novel the main character kills her. The novel itself is about the psychological effects it has on him.

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Quote: from fenrir at 10:56 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Or even worse, is simply having money considered a crime against humanity if we still have a double digits percentage who routinely live below the poverty line?  Or if one choses not to give to a particular charity, should that be grounds for immediate execution, as well?  

Unfortunately, what your proposing is not justice, but vigilantism.  We live in a day where simply being rich should not be a justification for cold blooded murder.  

Beware a slippery slope whenever arbitrarily designating whomever is Evil.


I never said I was proposing justice or that it wasn't murder or that she's evil, you two need to quit putting words in my mouth and read the actual question.

And she wasn't just rich, she committed corporate crimes against all these poor people. It's THEIR MONEY that she stole it.

Whoever did this could absolutely be considered good because it sounds like he was trying to save these people who were poor cos this money had been stolen by this rich hag who somehow escaped the law through tricks o' the trade

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The women may have had a lot of money, but the people who put their objects in the pawn shop were aware of the interest rates and agreed to paying them back. The fact that they couldn't was not her problem.

She rightfully earned the money, and rightfully deserves to keep it. Moral, in this case, is insignificant.

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