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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 1:01 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 10:56 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Or even worse, is simply having money considered a crime against humanity if we still have a double digits percentage who routinely live below the poverty line?  Or if one choses not to give to a particular charity, should that be grounds for immediate execution, as well?  

Unfortunately, what your proposing is not justice, but vigilantism.  We live in a day where simply being rich should not be a justification for cold blooded murder.  

Beware a slippery slope whenever arbitrarily designating whomever is Evil.


I never said I was proposing justice or that it wasn't murder, you two need to quit putting words in my mouth and read the actual question.

And she wasn't just rich, she committed corporate crimes against all these poor people. It's THEIR MONEY that she stole it.


Es tut mir leid, but both Nikki and I are tired of dealing with the same "cold, heartless hag ruthlessly control her block with an iron fist where the helpless beggars require a Robin Hood persona to liberate them from their unfair poverty in hopes to better distribute it throughout the Common Wealth" routine.

1. I repeat.  Simply being Capitalistic at the sake of moral behavior should not be a sole reason as to merit a death sentence.

2. Modern Society is not limited to the Sherwood Forest and Robin Hood can be argued as a deterrent against any further funding toward the elite minority governing a greater sense of poverty beyond your minor scenario.

3. What good is an example without further application?  We're not speaking against the mere act of taking one's life, but questioning both your purpose and intention that you're proposing.  I cannot speak for Nikki, but I have greater stock in her ability to articulate her arguments more so than you already have.

Granted, I was being facetious earlier when I inquired if merely refusing to contribute funds toward a particular charity organization or refusal to offer aid to homeless should be grounds for death.  However, you still have not argued your point clearly enough as to prevent my scenario from occurring either, I'm afraid.

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Quote: from NoNoNora383 at 11:08 am on Sep. 24, 2008

The women may have had a lot of money, but the people who put their objects in the pawn shop were aware of the interest rates and agreed to paying them back. The fact that they couldn't was not her problem.  

She rightfully earned the money, and rightfully deserves to keep it. Moral, in this case, is insignificant.


No, they didn't agree to the interest rates she imposed, she raised the interest rates after they pawned their stuff so she could sell them. she's a thief.

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Quote: from fenrir at 11:14 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 1:01 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 10:56 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Or even worse, is simply having money considered a crime against humanity if we still have a double digits percentage who routinely live below the poverty line? Or if one choses not to give to a particular charity, should that be grounds for immediate execution, as well?  

Unfortunately, what your proposing is not justice, but vigilantism. We live in a day where simply being rich should not be a justification for cold blooded murder.  

Beware a slippery slope whenever arbitrarily designating whomever is Evil.


I never said I was proposing justice or that it wasn't murder, you two need to quit putting words in my mouth and read the actual question.  

And she wasn't just rich, she committed corporate crimes against all these poor people. It's THEIR MONEY that she stole it.


Es tut mir leid, but both Nikki and I are tired of dealing with the same "cold, heartless hag ruthlessly control her block with an iron fist where the helpless beggars require a Robin Hood persona to liberate them from their unfair poverty in hopes to better distribute it throughout the Common Wealth" routine.

1. I repeat. Simply being Capitalistic at the sake of moral behavior should not be a sole reason as to merit a death sentence.

2. Modern Society is not limited to the Sherwood Forest and Robin Hood can be argued as a deterrent against any further funding toward the elite minority governing a greater sense of poverty beyond your minor scenario.

3. What good is an example without further application? We're not speaking against the mere act of taking one's life, but questioning both your purpose and intention that you're proposing. I cannot speak for Nikki, but I have greater stock in her ability to articulate her arguments more so than you already have.

Granted, I was being facetious earlier when I inquired if merely refusing to contribute funds toward a particular charity organization or refusal to offer aid to homeless should be grounds for death. However, you still have not argued your point clearly enough as to prevent my scenario from occurring either, I'm afraid.


what the hell is wrong with you I told you I wouldn't do it, but that I think if he did it because he thought he was doing good he could still be considered a good person instead of a bad one.

that's the original question I was answering dear God.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 7:43 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from NoNoNora383 at 11:08 am on Sep. 24, 2008

The women may have had a lot of money, but the people who put their objects in the pawn shop were aware of the interest rates and agreed to paying them back. The fact that they couldn't was not her problem.

She rightfully earned the money, and rightfully deserves to keep it. Moral, in this case, is insignificant.


No, they didn't agree to the interest rates she imposed, she raised the interest rates after they pawned their stuff so she could sell them. she's a thief.

Raising interest rates =/= theft. It's unfair, yes, but it doesn't warrant her getting killed.

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Quote: from Nikki at 12:38 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 7:43 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from NoNoNora383 at 11:08 am on Sep. 24, 2008

The women may have had a lot of money, but the people who put their objects in the pawn shop were aware of the interest rates and agreed to paying them back. The fact that they couldn't was not her problem.    

 She rightfully earned the money, and rightfully deserves to keep it. Moral, in this case, is insignificant.


No, they didn't agree to the interest rates she imposed, she raised the interest rates after they pawned their stuff so she could sell them. she's a thief.

Raising interest rates =/= theft. It's unfair, yes, but it doesn't warrant her getting killed.


Yes it is theft, it was clearly implied that she charged them more than she agreed to pay. that's theft.

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Still doesn't warrant her getting killed. Theft is one thing, murder is quite another.

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Maybe those Russians were going to starve without their monies, did you think of that

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 9:16 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Maybe those Russians were going to starve without their monies, did you think of that

After she raised the interest rates when one person pawned their stuff, surely the other people would be smart enough to either go to another pawnbroker, or to just keep their stuff?

Seems to me that she took advantage of some unfortunately stupid people, which isn't a crime. Immoral, maybe, but it certainly doesn't warrant death.

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No I think she had all their stuff when she raised the rates

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Even if that's the case, it doesn't warrant her being killed - regardless of whether she was going to die the next day or whatever. It's still murder.

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I KNOW THAT it'S MURDER AND I'M NOT DENYING IT CAPIECH


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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 9:57 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

I KNOW THAT it'S MURDER AND I'M NOT DENYING IT CAPIECH

Woah, chill already. I know that.

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think of the poor Russian children who were hungry because some mean old lady had stolen their food

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 10:01 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

think of the poor Russian children who were hungry because some mean old lady had stolen their food

She did what she did so she wasn't one of the many poor families in the area, right? That meant she had to capitalise on the unsuspecting poor.

It is unfair, but life isn't fair.

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 1:44 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 11:14 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 1:01 pm on Sep. 24, 2008

Quote: from fenrir at 10:56 am on Sep. 24, 2008

Or even worse, is simply having money considered a crime against humanity if we still have a double digits percentage who routinely live below the poverty line?  Or if one choses not to give to a particular charity, should that be grounds for immediate execution, as well?    

Unfortunately, what your proposing is not justice, but vigilantism.  We live in a day where simply being rich should not be a justification for cold blooded murder.    

Beware a slippery slope whenever arbitrarily designating whomever is Evil.


I never said I was proposing justice or that it wasn't murder, you two need to quit putting words in my mouth and read the actual question.  

And she wasn't just rich, she committed corporate crimes against all these poor people. It's THEIR MONEY that she stole it.


Es tut mir leid, but both Nikki and I are tired of dealing with the same "cold, heartless hag ruthlessly control her block with an iron fist where the helpless beggars require a Robin Hood persona to liberate them from their unfair poverty in hopes to better distribute it throughout the Common Wealth" routine.  

1. I repeat.  Simply being Capitalistic at the sake of moral behavior should not be a sole reason as to merit a death sentence.  

2. Modern Society is not limited to the Sherwood Forest and Robin Hood can be argued as a deterrent against any further funding toward the elite minority governing a greater sense of poverty beyond your minor scenario.  

3. What good is an example without further application?  We're not speaking against the mere act of taking one's life, but questioning both your purpose and intention that you're proposing.  I cannot speak for Nikki, but I have greater stock in her ability to articulate her arguments more so than you already have.  

Granted, I was being facetious earlier when I inquired if merely refusing to contribute funds toward a particular charity organization or refusal to offer aid to homeless should be grounds for death.  However, you still have not argued your point clearly enough as to prevent my scenario from occurring either, I'm afraid.


what the hell is wrong with you I told you I wouldn't do it, but that I think if he did it because he thought he was doing good he could still be considered a good person instead of a bad one.

that's the original question I was answering dear God.

when you ass u me you make and ass out of u and me


First, why don't you launch a more coherent argument?  Second, it isn't my fault if you're seemingly becoming lost in translation.  Third, your example is meaningless without further application or contributive merit apart from this purely isolated case where everyone in the background begins to cheer once the Wicked Witch from the East has a house topple on her.  Fourth, I am quite aware both of my context and reasons for doing so, but it appears that you're incapable of thinking outside your very limited worldview.

And finally, you fail at providing any explanation for how and why we should empathize with the murder of a terminally ill woman responsible for fiscal strangulation of her respective community.  Once again, apart from vigilante justice, there is certainly nothing right where the primary focus for this justice to be financially based and appropriated.

Not my fault you refuse to admit your argument is both naive and incomplete.

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