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EMA £100 bonuses!
They're totally unfair
Replies: 39Last Post Oct. 7, 2008 3:24pm by luckybuhda
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dcdx89's comments were ignorant, and i think dramaqueenxoxo makes a valid point. there are many reasons why a household can't afford to NOT have EMA (they're temporarily out of work, have too many other expenses, have more important expenses, can't actually get work or are ill etc.) but i think people are missing the point here!
my rife is with the bonuses offered to those students for simply attending a class. students who dont get ema but also attend the class do not gain any kind of bonus or reward.

apart from the people who cheat the system and undeservedly claim EMA, it is a fair sum of £30 which may or may not (i dont know, having never recieved it) be enough for the student (i imagine art students to struggle on it actually). it is the bonus scheme which is so unfair.
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This simple answer to your simple question is that it is bribery to get you to attend. I don't think it's a BAD thing, but giving people raw cash for it is a bit daft - should be something geared towards education, like £100 of school travel costs covered.

Besides the point, the entire system is wrong as it's based on income - that fact alone shows that it's a dumb system. Income itself means nothing, the important figure with this is how much disposable income (not spent on essentials like bills and vehicles) you have to support a child in education. Someone who has £30,000 a year coming in and four kids actually has less of a chance than someone with one kid earning much less a year to send their kids through sixth form - because the four kids use four times the money and the EMA system doesn't take into account circumstances such as this. So it's flawed fundamentally - it looks at the wrong figure and fails to make allowances. Regardless of income, your circumstances should dictate on whether or not you warrant £30 a week for nothing.

Anyway. Yes, bonuses. Alright idea, wrong incentive with raw money.

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it is annoying. I wish i got ema sometimes. But i think they should be restricted to where they can spend the money e.g. only on schools books or uni . And they shouldn't just look at the income figure but also how many people there are in the family

Post edited at 8:31 am on Sep. 23, 2008 by Sachacohen2

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Quote: from dcdx89 at 3:42 pm on Sep. 21, 2008

Me like a lot of people see that EMA is a fucking unfair system...what because my parents work hard to earn over £30,000 and because i don't live in a shitty house i don't get any money...

So i can still attend college everyday, behave myself and learn but if my mum and dad were lazy and on benefits or something i could be earning £30 a week..great.

I would rather keep my pride cheers.


I agree.

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God, I give up. Some people are just idiots.

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Quote: from dcdx89 at 3:42 pm on Sep. 21, 2008

Me like a lot of people see that EMA is a fucking unfair system...what because my parents work hard to earn over £30,000 and because i don't live in a shitty house i don't get any money...

So i can still attend college everyday, behave myself and learn but if my mum and dad were lazy and on benefits or something i could be earning £30 a week..great.

I would rather keep my pride cheers.


You're such a tit. Seeing as the upper boundary is £30,000 there is going to be tens of thousands of parents who earn in the 20k range, still work hard to support their children but not in such amazingly high powered jobs as your splendid parents. Not everyone who gets EMA has 'lazy parents and lives in a shitty house.' Have you ever seen someone who is d-i-s-a-b-l-e-d?

I agree that in the 'welfare state' it's really annoying that properly lazy people don't bother getting a job and get benefits spoon fed to them. But your comments are completely snobbish and greedy.

The bonuses are a bit excessive, but I think they'll definitely be encouraging people who might otherwise not stay on at college/attend much to go regularly.

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You wouldn't be complaining if you got EMA!  <br> I get £30 a week because I live with my mum and don't see my dad, and my mum's income is around £3000 p.a, and she can't afford to buy me everything I need for college as well as my younger sister's stuff. <br> So yeah it is fair, but some people don't need £30 a week, I could manage without but it's great that I can get it, it takes a lot of stress of my mum not having to buy my textbooks and stuff.

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Im going to get a lot of shit now. But I think EMA students fully deserve the £100. The drop out rate for them is undoubtdly higher, certainly the equivalents in my college drop out more frequently. And life is harder for them.

You dont know what it is like.

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i agree that ema is delt with in the wrong way, but cant beleive how ignorant some people are, just becuase certian people dont earn a decent wage doesnt mean that they are lazy! infact usually the lower paid jobs require more hard work than the high paid ones. i get paid 4.85 an hour to run around after customers and its bloody hard work! i do qualify for ema because my parents dont live together, if they did i wouldnt get it as my dad earns over 60k but my mum obviously earns less but doesnt mean shes lazy and nither am i, we both work and im glad i get ema cos the amount my dad has to pay on taxes (40%) should be coming back to me but the majority of it will unfortunatly be paying for people that cant be bothered to go to college and relay on others to pay for them to live.  lol got abit carried away here but you cant be so naive to think everyone getting ema has lazy parents and im sure that all the parents who dont earn enough and therefore there kids get ema would much rather have a better wage and give the child the money themselves than relay on the government to pay for them.

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yeah, the bonuses are rediculous and i think instead of just giving it to students that attendlessons they should look at there grades and see if they have met there targets, also why not just pay the equivilent of 100 but in the form of bus passes and stuff or to go towards college trips. then again this would still not work cos the people would then use the money they would have used to pay for there bus passes and use it on alcohol lol. i myself do get ema and admit that non of it has gone towards anything to do with my education (except ucas application) but seeing as i pay my taxes and so do myparents why shouldnt i get some of it back i get taxed 24% of my wages and i'm 18 thats 150 a month i get taken off me and only get 120 ema a month so i'm still 30 pound down even with there help. how annoying!

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