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And we know that the Europeans are aryans because...? Well they are white!

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How would you know they are closer to the original Aryans?

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Aryans brought language to New Zealand and there weren't really people there either.  

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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How do you know that the people who already were there were the SAME as the people who brought in the language?

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Also, the Māori language is an Austronesian language.

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Aryans brought language to New Zealand and there weren't really people there either.

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death to everything

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Quote: from Catacomb at 3:45 pm on Nov. 22, 2008

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death to everything

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Oh god.

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Where did the non-Aryan peoples come from then?

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Also, the Māori language is an Austronesian language.

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The original Māori people were there.

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Check out The Quest for Origins by KR Howe for the Aryan roots of Polynesian ppl  

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealanders/MaoriNewZealanders/IdeasOfMaoriOrigins/2/en

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1840s-1930s: the Aryan theory

The Aryan Maori (1st of 3)

'The death of Marion du Fresne'

European interpretations (1st of 2)

Ideas about Māori origins (1st of 2)

Comparative science
In the second half of the 19th century the idea of the Semitic or Jewish Polynesian was replaced by that of the Aryan or Caucasian Polynesian. Rather than Egypt or Greece, India was seen as the original homeland of Polynesians. This was a result of the fashionable science that was flourishing in England - comparative linguistics, religions and mythologies.

One of the great intellectual achievements of the time was to understand the historical connections and development of languages. This began with William Jones in 1786, who argued that there were links between European languages and Sanskrit, the ancient language of India. A succession of linguists gradually revealed the existence of the language family they called Indo-European.

In the 19th century influential scholars such as Oxford linguist Max Müller pointed to the significance of ancient Aryan societies who moved into India. Subsequent Indian language and culture underlay the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome, and in turn the societies of modern Europe. Müller equated the history of language with the history of race, and believed in the concept of a single Aryan ancestry shared by Europeans and Indians. Māori became included in the chain of peoples thought to descend from the ancient Aryan tribes. Edward Tylor, a founder of anthropology, extended the analysis to include ethnographic as well as linguistic clues, and claimed that some cultures contained evidence of 'survivals' from the formative stages of human society.

Sanskrit 'survivals'
While commentators had gropingly applied comparative linguistic and religious ideas in the Pacific since the time of Captain Cook, the new comparative sciences offered more systematic analysis. It was not long before scholars in the Pacific found links between the Malayo-Polynesian and the Indo-European language families. It was claimed that Pacific Island languages did contain significant remnants of Sanskrit; and that island customs, mythologies and religions were full of fragments of Aryan culture.

The linguist and scholar Edward Tregear, who came to New Zealand in 1863, argued that some of Müller's Sanskrit-speaking Aryans in India moved through the South-East Asian archipelago and out to the islands of the Pacific, including New Zealand. He declared that Māori language, mythology and customs contained extensive evidence of this Aryan-Indian heritage. These clues were seen to unlock the secrets of Polynesian culture, and also to offer glimpses of the formation of Aryan culture itself.

Aryan or Caucasian theory was widely accepted in New Zealand and Pacific scholarship at least until the 1930s.

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http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/mrm/mrm03.htm

Oooh this is fun!  

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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They were there originally.

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Aryan origin language.

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Not origin.

Or could you PROVE that it's an Aryan-created language?

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The original Moari came from some where else too.

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http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/mrm/mrm03.htm

Oooh this is fun!

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Do you still stand by this?

You just quoted someone that said they migrated from India to New Zealand - are you going to tell me that they didn't mix at all?

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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But, you said that They might be the real Aryans.

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Therefore, they are not Aryan, but they could have SOME Aryan influence, genetically and linguistically.

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Post edited at 3:16 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP