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I think they should stop covering each other's backs.

I reported one moderation error 'cos one mod was blatently mis-using their ability to re-add a topic to the Fresh topics section, blatently doing it for attention. Which i addressed in the topic, which was then removed under 'no contribution'  

In their reply, they didn't even address my argument that they OBVIOUSLY abused power, and just stated if they feel need to add topics to fresh topics, than they can.  

Retards.  

Thats all i have to say.

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Just to speak briefly about this, I can say with complete honesty that mods -do not- cover each other's backs.  You guys would seriously be surprised at how often mods will defend a member when we feel something unfair or improper has happened.  I can think of both recent and past cases where mods fought tooth and nail to clear improper warnings, improper deletions, improper bannings, and everything in between. By and large, we have an excellent check and balance system.

As far as the situation you're speaking about, it's difficult for me to really judge because everything is different in context.  However, if it's the situation I think you're talking about, it (improper refreshing) was actually brought up and sorted out.

Post edited at 2:10 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 by The Professional

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mods do sometimes cover each others backs, after being here for 3+years this is obvious, but not all the time

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Do you have any -recent- examples of abuse that was covered up by other mods? (Recent meaning since I've been on the mod team, since I can't speak about times before that.)

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:38 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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mods do sometimes cover each others backs, after being here for 3+years this is obvious, but not all the time

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Do you have any -recent- examples of abuse that was covered up by other mods? (Recent meaning since I've been on the mod team, since I can't speak about times before that.)

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yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did

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Hss, you're smarter than that.  I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations.

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yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did

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Hss, you're smarter than that.  I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations.

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i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back

katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy

i could go on and fucking on

Post edited at 6:10 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 by iconoclast

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Quote: from The Professional at 9:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did

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Hss, you're smarter than that. I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations.

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okay, half the topics you deleted (which was a huge fucking amount) id get a bullshit closing by some fuckass mod about ten seconds later, have to go message a certain mod to get them put back and go through all this unnecessary crap

i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back

katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy

i could go on and fucking on

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This is the type of stuff that just seems silly to me.  Because you don't -agree- with the removal of something, it means it's abuse?  Could it not be that those MERs were closed in my favor because I acted correctly?

At any rate, something that has always confused me...  When an entire mod team is corrupted, corruption and ass covering would be done all the time whenever we felt like doing something.  Why, if abuse is so rampant, are there times when we will correct mistakes made by moderators?  Basically, why are there days when we "cover eachothers asses," yet other days when we will reverse actions made by other mods?

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:09 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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Quote: from The Professional at 9:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008

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yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did

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Hss, you're smarter than that. I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations.

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okay, half the topics you deleted (which was a huge fucking amount) id get a bullshit closing by some fuckass mod about ten seconds later, have to go message a certain mod to get them put back and go through all this unnecessary crap

i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back

katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy

i could go on and fucking on

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This is the type of stuff that just seems silly to me.  Because you don't -agree- with the removal of something, it means it's abuse?  Could it not be that those MERs were closed in my favor because I acted correctly?  

At any rate, something that has always confused me...  When an entire mod team is corrupted, corruption and ass covering would be done all the time whenever we felt like doing something.  Why, if abuse is so rampant, are there times when we will correct mistakes made by moderators?  Basically, why are there days when we "cover eachothers asses," yet other days when we will reverse actions made by other mods?

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and no, it absolutely couldnt be, because the closings were pithy statements that didnt answer anything i said

and sometimes if you try hard enough you can get shit reversed, or if some idiots fucks up real bad and people will look just stupid if they oppose overturning it  

more like not all the moderators are idiots, but some are

Post edited at 6:37 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 by iconoclast

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That reasoning doesn't make sense to me. If I had it out for you badly enough to falsely delete topics, risking my reputation on the mod team and my position, why would I bother to argue your side on certain occasions?

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and it hardly risks your reputation, because few people really give a fuck

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Second comment: This just shows you really don't understand how the mod team here works, Hss.  Ask any moderator if "no one gives a shit" when someone abuses their position - I can almost guarantee you'll get the same response from every moderator on the team.

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First comment: Not quite. I could easily have remained silent, or easily argued the other side (rarely is there no opposition to an argument, it's simple to join the opposing side).

Second comment: This just shows you really don't understand how the mod team here works, Hss. Ask any moderator if "no one gives a shit" when someone abuses their position - I can almost guarantee you'll get the same response from every moderator on the team.

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well maybe you happened to be on and like arguing, and no, it does seem when a mod does something really really fucking random and stupid theres often unilateral opposition to it

or maybe you just think furrypanther is a dumbass like much of the mod team does

or other things

second: i actually understand a lot more about how this mod shit works than you probably, given how many ive known over the years, and no, for trivial shit like informal warnings and topic deletions where its not a valuable topic anyway they dont really care

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Second:  If you honestly believe that viewing something from the outside looking in gives you more experience than someone who has almost a year of first hand experience and interaction, then I'm fairly sure there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise - but the idea of that is laughable.  Just because I've been watching politics for 3 years doesn't mean I have more of an understanding than a actual politician.  

But, as they say, it's easy to arm-chair quarterback.

Post edited at 7:06 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 by The Professional

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Hss, if I went -out of my way- to abuse you (again, risking my position and reputation), then I'd have to have a pretty strong dislike for you. The last thing I'd be doing is defending you if I would go to such links to abuse you. Common sense should tell you this.

Second: If you honestly believe that viewing something from the outside looking in gives you more experience than someone who has almost a year of first hand experience and interaction, then I'm fairly sure there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise - but the idea of that is laughable. Just because I've been watching politics for 3 years doesn't mean I have more of an understanding than a actual politician.

But, as they say, it's easy to arm-chair quarterback.

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its hardly common sense, you act like this is some big thing, looking like a moron for defending some idiot is much worse than doing some bullshit that no one cares about

and yes i do, you sound like one of those who think moderation is some 'special thing', i know pretty much everything about this mod crap because ive spoken extensively to like 20 about it

poor comparison - politics involves many things and requires experience, moderation is a joke

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Nothing more can really be said, I'd just be repeating myself.  It's rather clear to me, and I'm sure clear to the majority, that you are speaking very much from a outside looking in perspective - and that is hardly ever accurate.