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So I'll move the discussion of the existence of God being a well thought out concept over here.

Wiser men than any here have undertaken the question of God's existence.  In fact, over no other subject of speculation has more ink been spilled over the course of human history than of the existence and nature of God.  What's more, the vast majority of people in the roughly 5,000 years of documented history have concluded that there is something which occupies the place of the "invisible man in the sky."

Do with that what you will, but before you stroke your tiny little teen ego and tell yourself how advanced you are for mocking God, remember the host of great minds who stand in the camp of theism.  You set yourself against them (not to mention God).

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"everyone else thinks it so you should too"
good argument, sean

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It could be argued that all these intelligent philosophers just made the same mistakes because they're all human. This is why religious belief (not neccessarily monotheistic belief, mind) has been near-universal in humanity.

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should the person setting up a war like this not have their side picked out or at least be neutral for the sake of the inevitable then why didnt your side make a topic

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I tend to agree.  The subject is sooooo hard to believe in but yet so greaaat talk about.

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Quote: from Major at 5:32 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

"everyone else thinks it so you should too"
good argument, sean

This is not an argumentum ad populum because my point is not say there is a God on the basis of a majority vote.  My point is that to suggest that insufficient thought has been dedicated to the existence of God or that we are somehow more advanced in our thought than greater men of the past who believed in God is hubris.

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I don't believe I set myself 'against' them because I do not believe in what they do.
But I could say the same to you regarding atheism, as well.

Though that is pretty obvious an answer.


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People  have the choice to beleve in what they want,the real
question is how will each belef stack up.

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I'm all for God!

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because before now we hadn't gone under the scientific revolutions that have made it okay to doubt god or to supplant an alternative to the hole where faith would have been
we're in a completely different paradigm than when it was, for example, Thomas Jefferson's time (who was a deist)
It's not that we're smarter, but yes, we do think differently.

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Quote: from Major at 5:45 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

because before now we hadn't gone under the scientific revolutions that have made it okay to doubt god or to supplant an alternative to the hole where faith would have been
we're in a completely different paradigm than when it was, for example, Thomas Jefferson's time (who was a deist)
It's not that we're smarter, but yes, we do think differently.

You think differently.  We, if we think differently at all, as a species have not changed so much as to prevent most of the world from still being theistic.  The scientific revolutions have not prevented the geographic increase of Christianity and the marked numeric increase of Islam.  Most people even in our own highly civilized nation are still theistic.  Whatever you perceive as having changed in our thought has not eliminated God by any stretch of the imagination, only proved that Almighty Science has not so dramatically changed man as we had hoped.

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the thinkers before even the most recent scientific revolutions who had to struggle with the concept of god and instead place an "almighty spirit" where he is--because to them the idea of a caring, omnipotent, omnipresent being is unbelievable-- are the agnostics and the atheists of today
there are more people, there will be more christians and more muslims and most of them are not converts but the children of believers. Most people do not want to cause trouble, to be possibly exiled from their family, and most people don't really think too much about whether or not their religion makes sense. It just does, and there are other things to think about, like just living.
I'm not saying atheists will take over, but they can now claim reason to what they've always felt, and that is normally the existence of scientific theories that sometimes contradict the ideas of theologies. it is much more difficult to go with your feelings when you are against the majority and without any sort of substantial proof than when you are with the majority and without any substantial proof. Science provides a buffer.

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Quote: from Prince o palities at 3:51 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from Major at 5:45 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

because before now we hadn't gone under the scientific revolutions that have made it okay to doubt god or to supplant an alternative to the hole where faith would have been  
 we're in a completely different paradigm than when it was, for example, Thomas Jefferson's time (who was a deist)  
 It's not that we're smarter, but yes, we do think differently.

You think differently. We, if we think differently at all, as a species have not changed so much as to prevent most of the world from still being theistic. The scientific revolutions have not prevented the geographic increase of Christianity and the marked numeric increase of Islam. Most people even in our own highly civilized nation are still theistic. Whatever you perceive as having changed in our thought has not eliminated God by any stretch of the imagination, only proved that Almighty Science has not so dramatically changed man as we had hoped.


Theism has increased, yes. But so has atheism. I'm not sure if it has increased more than certain larger religions, but it has increased. And that is what I got from Major's post.


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and by "we" i don't mean atheists but I mean people alive in the 21st century


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God exists if you believe in him

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