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Logic is reliable... prove me wrong
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In my Theory of Knowledge class tomorrow I have to give a presentation of the strengths of logic.

So to see if my argument works, I want you all to try this:

Prove to me that logic is not reliable.... without using logic.

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Over-rationalizing things can cause delay and inactivity. That is one of its problems.

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logic isn't the only way
There's:

Logos
Pathos and
Ethos

I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos

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this statement is false

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logic is dumb

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Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way
There's:

Logos
Pathos and
Ethos

I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:

Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.
There is logos, pathos, and ethos.
Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.

Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.

Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.

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Quote: from fezzy at 8:43 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way  
 There's:  

 Logos  
 Pathos and  
 Ethos  

 I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:

Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.
There is logos, pathos, and ethos.
Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.

Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.

Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.



Logic is wrong, do you not see how immoral it is to use logic at times? it takes away emotion and bases itself in fact completely. There's no feeling! There's no nature of humanity at all. It's so factual, that it's almost as if we didn't have a soul, as if we used the brain to an extreme point where we did not think about how our hearts felt rather than what our brains thought.

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some people just dont like logic.
thats why they cant drive on the freeway.

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Quote: from solitude at 11:46 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:43 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way    
  There's:    

  Logos    
  Pathos and    
  Ethos    

  I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


 

 Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:  

 Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.  
 There is logos, pathos, and ethos.  
 Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.  

 Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.  

 Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.


 
Logic is wrong, do you not see how immoral it is to use logic at times? it takes away emotion and bases itself in fact completely. There's no feeling! There's no nature of humanity at all. It's so factual, that it's almost as if we didn't have a soul, as if we used the brain to an extreme point where we did not think about how our hearts felt rather than what our brains thought.

I would say now you are not using logic. You are using a fallacy--specifically Ad Misericordiam (or appeal to emotions)--which I have concluded is not a good argument.

Although in truth I've enjoyed what you're saying. Mind if I use a little of what you wrote in my presentation tomorrow?

Post edited at 11:54 pm on Oct. 9, 2008 by fezzy

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Quote: from fezzy at 8:53 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:46 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:43 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way  
  There's:  

  Logos  
  Pathos and  
  Ethos  

  I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


  Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:

  Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.
  There is logos, pathos, and ethos.
  Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.

  Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.

  Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.


 
 Logic is wrong, do you not see how immoral it is to use logic at times? it takes away emotion and bases itself in fact completely. There's no feeling! There's no nature of humanity at all. It's so factual, that it's almost as if we didn't have a soul, as if we used the brain to an extreme point where we did not think about how our hearts felt rather than what our brains thought.

I would say now you are not using logic. You are using a fallacy--specifically Ad Misericordiam (or appeal to emotions)--which I have concluded is not a good argument.



and I concluded logic is not a good argument.

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Quote: from solitude at 11:54 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:53 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:46 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:43 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way    
    There's:    

    Logos    
    Pathos and    
    Ethos    

    I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


   

   Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:    

   Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.    
   There is logos, pathos, and ethos.    
   Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.    

   Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.    

   Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.


 
  Logic is wrong, do you not see how immoral it is to use logic at times? it takes away emotion and bases itself in fact completely. There's no feeling! There's no nature of humanity at all. It's so factual, that it's almost as if we didn't have a soul, as if we used the brain to an extreme point where we did not think about how our hearts felt rather than what our brains thought.

 

 I would say now you are not using logic. You are using a fallacy--specifically Ad Misericordiam (or appeal to emotions)--which I have concluded is not a good argument.



and I concluded logic is not a good argument.

But you must have used logic to reach a conclusion.... or else it is a hasty generalization (another fallacy).

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Quote: from fezzy at 8:56 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:54 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:53 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:46 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

Quote: from fezzy at 8:43 am on Oct. 10, 2008

Quote: from solitude at 11:38 pm on Oct. 9, 2008

logic isn't the only way  
  There's:  

  Logos  
  Pathos and  
  Ethos  

  I could argue that logic isn't reliable by using either Pathos or Ethos


  Since you gave one of the only legit answers, I'm going to respond to you. In a sense, you used logic to prove me wrong. To rephrase what you said:

  Logic is not the only way to prove logic isn't reliable.
  There is logos, pathos, and ethos.
  Therefore, pathos and ethos can be used to prove logic isn't reliable.

  Not exactly an example of deductive reasoning, but very similar.

  Care to argue back? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you; I'm just making sure I can defend my argument tomorrow.


 
  Logic is wrong, do you not see how immoral it is to use logic at times? it takes away emotion and bases itself in fact completely. There's no feeling! There's no nature of humanity at all. It's so factual, that it's almost as if we didn't have a soul, as if we used the brain to an extreme point where we did not think about how our hearts felt rather than what our brains thought.

  I would say now you are not using logic. You are using a fallacy--specifically Ad Misericordiam (or appeal to emotions)--which I have concluded is not a good argument.


 
 and I concluded logic is not a good argument.

But you must have used logic to reach a conclusion.... or else it is a hasty generalization (another fallacy).



nope, I just listened to what my heart told me

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 Logic is sometimes stiff. If everything goes along with logic it can't be flexible. People are unique in their ways because everyone has different feelings and one way we communicate is through our feelings. If things are all based by logic, we can never achieve what we have now.

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I don't even know what we're arguing anymore... but it's been fun.

Now off to write my notes.

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Quote: from fezzy at 8:59 am on Oct. 10, 2008

I don't even know what we're arguing anymore... but it's been fun.

Now off to write my notes.


lol, you did a good job! Either way I'm sure you'll do well!

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