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Hey, Yore, I have a question for you.
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Do you think there is a difference between reality and veridicality? Reality meaning what is real, and veridicality meaning the truth.

I had to answer this for one of my classes, and I used fire as an example.  We're taught that pain is negative, and whatever causes us pain is also negative.  Fire burns us; therefore fire is bad, and we're taught this is the truth, it's the symbol of abomination, Hell.  But in order to survive, we need to keep warm, and fire helps keep us warm, right? So the truth is that we should stay away from fire, but we can't because we need it.

I concluded that the truth is ideal, and reality is how things are.

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it makes sense

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what deep thoughts you are having today miss Britt.

I dont know if I agree with your definition of truth. why is it truth we should stay away from fire? the truth is that there is good and bad fire, and we have to come to an appreciation of both.



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Quote: from barnabas at 10:59 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

what deep thoughts you are having today miss Britt.
 
I dont know if I agree with your definition of truth. why is it truth we should stay away from fire? the truth is that there is good and bad fire, and we have to come to an appreciation of both.


I guess what I meant is that to be careful not to be burned by fire, you know? Like, people don't normally intentionally stick their hands in the fireplace, you know?

And blame it on my cultural anthro class! I really like it because it forces me to think about these things.

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Quote: from iBritt at 10:02 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

Quote: from barnabas at 10:59 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

what deep thoughts you are having today miss Britt.  
   
 I dont know if I agree with your definition of truth. why is it truth we should stay away from fire? the truth is that there is good and bad fire, and we have to come to an appreciation of both.  

 


I guess what I meant is that to be careful not to be burned by fire, you know? Like, people don't normally intentionally stick their hands in the fireplace, you know?

And blame it on my cultural anthro class! I really like it because it forces me to think about these things.


I dont understand how that alters our perception of truth/reality.

it is both true and real that fire burns. It is also both true and real that fire keeps us warm.

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Isn't the truth that nothing is black and white? Isn't that the only truth.

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The reality, and the verdicality, of fire is that it is neither inherently good or bad, but its uses can be detrimental or beneficial to mankind depending on the nature of that use.

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there is no truth in morality, what is "right" is not what is real and it is not what is true. like i'm sure you'll get an a on the paper and everything but it just seems like you are completely misinterpreting the meaning of those two words, and how they can interact in an actual environment without throwing in "bad" and "good" and stupid generalizations. I mean I was cautioned about fire, as to not stick my fingers in it, but I was allowed near it alone and had an E-Z- Bake oven and everything.
Anyway you can't assign a truth value to questions of morality or "rightness", which is not in this context "correctness". The argument you're using is inappropriate.

Post edited at 4:03 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 by major

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and truth is not an ideal. truth just is regardless if you acknowledge it or not, or if you're a post modernist it is whatever you think it is (haha)

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