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That's a way to push illegal aliens back.

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The fact is that Mexican culture was there before it was nonwhite hispanic. The anglos bought the place. So it was them who "replaced" the existing culture isf you want to speak of replacement,

At this point there's no replacement. Just co-existence of anglo culture, asian culture and hispanic culture.

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You said:"that you can populate"

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Open your eyes Jakelong - you live here.

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I don't KNOW because I've NEVER BEEN THERE - but logically thinking, you can assure yourself that something of Italian culture ceased to be widely practiced in Argentina due to cultural mixing.

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It's not like they speak ITALIAN either...

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It's the fastest way for it to die OUTSIDE of Italy.

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Collaboration between the universities of the two countries is very intense—consisting of no less than 248 agreements, according to a study by CONICS.

The University of Bologna has had a permanent branch in Buenos Aires since the 1999-2000 academic year, officially integrated into local legislation, for interdisciplinary joint masters degree programmes. The project envisages a semester for Argentine students at the University of Bologna and this initiative is supported by a study grant from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

CUIA also has an office in Buenos Aires, which was set up in 2003 on the basis of a network agreement between the Consejo Interuniversitario Nacional dell'Argentina and an association of 24 Italian universities (Camerino, Università Politecnica delle Marche, Universities of Basilicata, Bari, Politecnico di Bari, Bologna, Cassino, Lecce, Macerata, Naples "Federico II", Padua, Pavia, Perugia, University for Foreigners of Perugia, Rome "La Sapienza", Rome Tor Vergata, Roma Tre, University for Foreigners of Siena, Teramo, Turin, Udine, Urbino, Università della Tuscia in Viterbo, Ferrara). The Cornsortium's main tasks are to

promote and sustain cooperation between Italian and Argentine universities;
strengthen relations between universities and businesses;
disseminate Italian culture in Argentina.

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http://tinyurl.com/6fl9dj

The more the Italian culture is spread around the world the better for the culture really.

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It..just..can't.

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My area is a perfect example.

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What Bud2400 was talking about actually. If those immigrants had integrated INTO the existing culture it would have been way different. But they arrived in great numbers and did not integrate in your area. I don't think that was right either.

You want to shift back? Make more white babies or have more whites immigrate.

My city is an example where 3 cultures CO EXIST and dont replace each other. The best poshest areas of town have NO race majority at all.

People who want to merge, do so. People don't don't. If whites keep making babies or immigrating my area at the same rate as others then thing will stay the same.

My hood is WAY MORE latino and things are not necessarily better. I'd rather live in those areas that have more race balance really.

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it shouldn't, and, if it did, it could get replaced by another culture.

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Ther has to be another culture present then.

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Its because we in the 21st century. Even if you closed all the borders the culture can still get thorugh with the internet and TV and moveis and ipods etc...

Theres no fucking way to keep ANY culture out unless you impose martial law and a totalitarian regime and even still the culture can still seep in.

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Their culture is NOT AS COMMON because they aren't everywhere using it.

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The MORE a culture spreads and is practised in more areas the better.

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Amerinds die - their culture dies. Amerinds mix - their culture gets mixed.

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Amerinds isolate themselves - their culture stays alive.

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And, if you go to the reserves, there IS Amerind culture.

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If a country united and used one language - that language would survive as long as they continued to speak it.

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Although not every Mexican who was "pushed back" was illegal.

The fact is that Mexican culture was there before it was nonwhite hispanic. The anglos bought the place. So it was them who "replaced" the existing culture isf you want to speak of replacement,

At this point there's no replacement. Just co-existence of anglo culture, asian culture and hispanic culture.

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you= WN . You guys want to populate which country to make it all white?

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Some want to create a country, some want to take part of another country, some want to take over an existing country.

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Tell me why the US suck. Don't switch my question for yours.

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Thats a big assumption with ing to back it up.

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Many do however. Italian culture EXISTS in Argentine. Why would that bother you?

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Doesn't seem to be the opinion of the Italian Ministry of culture

The more the Italian culture is spread around the world the better for the culture really.

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Because you refuse to see it.

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Your area is the exception. The reason culture shifted in your area is because of POPULATION and IMMIGRATION shift from the SAME culture (Puerto Rico) WITHOUT integration..

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Now, it would be perfectly fine if culture could exist among people - BUT IT CAN'T.

Humans don't work that way - which is WHY I am against multiculturalism in a closed environment.

If people didn't do that - it would be different. But, they do.

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What Bud2400 was talking about actually. If those immigrants had integrated INTO the existing culture it would have been way different. But they arrived in great numbers and did not integrate in your area. I don't think that was right either.

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You want to shift back? Make more white babies or have more whites immigrate.

My city is an example where 3 cultures CO EXIST and dont replace each other. The best poshest areas of town have NO race majority at all.

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People who want to merge, do so. People don't don't. If whites keep making babies or immigrating my area at the same rate as others then thing will stay the same.

My hood is WAY MORE latino and things are not necessarily better. I'd rather live in those areas that have more race balance really.

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Around here, the bad neighborhoods are mixed, usually Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites all together.

I'd rather live with the rednecks, but, then again, I'd be 20 miles from my neighbor.

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If it doesn't GO there at all it would not even EXIST THERE at all!

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Yeah and no. American culture is  practiced a lot in Europe. Japanese culture is practicesed a lot in the US. It''s not because a lot of Americans live in Europe or Japanses live in the US.

Its because we in the 21st century. Even if you closed all the borders the culture can still get thorugh with the internet and TV and moveis and ipods etc...

Theres no fucking way to keep ANY culture out unless you impose martial law and a totalitarian regime and even still the culture can still seep in.

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Thats right. They kept it ISOLATED and now few ppl even indians are even in CONTACT with it.

The MORE a culture spreads and is practised in more areas the better.

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If a culture is spread throughout the world and everyone must practice it - that culture won't die. But, it would replace aspects of other cultures harming their original culture.

Amerind culture is alive and well WITH THEM - how it should be.

If I want their culture I'll pick my ass up and drive to their reserve.

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They didn't mix as much. Many lived in reservations and isolation. The culture was NOT spread OUTSIDEthe reservation => die.  

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Didn't really work did it?

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They're doing their tribal dances, eating buffalo, and all the things their culture is.

Their culture is important to THEM - and they don't want it to die by having other cultures mix with it.

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Yeah but only there and the ppl there are growing old and not making more babies.

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Why do we need their foreign culture, it'll just replace aspects of ours?

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Will WN be able to unite all white nationalist to speak a SINGLE language? Which language would that be?

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So everything in Brirish, Asian, and Hispanic culture is in existence, and not one thing is missing - and they are EXACT replicas of the original country they're from?

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you= WN . You guys want to populate which country to make it all white?

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Some want to create a country, some want to take part of another country, some want to take over an existing country.

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It's a piece of shit - that's why.

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You really good at going in circles. Not that good at saying something logical or giving specific examples.

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Well, do they only speak Italian?

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They can only have one brain for ONE language?

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They ALL have to speak it for it to work.

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only that it replaced the original culture of the area.

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It's bad for the other cultures though.

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Argentina's official language is Spanish (here usually named castellano). There are many variations of Spanish in Argentina and every province has its own accent.

Rio de la Plata Spanish is the variation used in all cities near the Rio de la Plata river, the most well-known characteristic being the use of "vos" instead of "tu" ("Voseo"). Some immigrant communities retain their own language as a badge of identity and languages such as Italian, German, English and French are spoken. The Welsh community of Patagonia have held an Eisteddfod, as well as the Basques, Arabs and Ukrainians. Recent immigrants from China and South Korea, who have established themselves in large cities like Buenos Aires and Rosario, also speak their own language among themselves, and some communities publish small-circulation newspapers in them.

Most Argentines can understand simple spoken Italian and Portuguese, due to their similarity to Spanish.

There are about 23 native languages spoken in different parts of the country, including Quechua, Mapuche, Guaraní, Toba and Wichí.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Argentina

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It refuses to do so.

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Therefore, you can conclude that they DON'T ALWAYS INTEGRATE.

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Now, it would be perfectly fine if culture could exist among people - BUT IT CAN'T.

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If people didn't do that - it would be different. But, they do.

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They DO NOT integrate though. Usually, there is no integration.

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If people DID, the USA would have one culture.

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Jazz is American culture, Blues is American culture. Swing is American culture. Holloywood movies is American culture. Christmas carols and Hanukkah are part of American culture. Native American culture is American culture.

But people can also maintain and practice their home culture on the side. SO long as they are WILLING to

American culture doesn't have to be a homogoneous bland goop to be good. Its like a cake or a cookie with part that are blended and other parts that give it crunch and taste. Like an cholocate chip cookie with pecans and some caramel.

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And they speak three different languages? How can you speak to everyone?

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Well, I live in an almost entirely White neighborhood.

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Cultures only need to exist in one place to exist.

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Speaking of which that symphony music thing is another exmplae of something thats dying. They only practice it for the rich in the US so no one gives rat ass about it.  The reason hiphop is the thing is that A LOT of ppl listen to it. Not just ppl in the hood or black ppl

Just another proof that spreading culture OUTSIDE where it comes from is GOOD.


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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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If a culture is spread throughout the world and everyone must practice it - that culture won't die. But, it would replace aspects of other cultures harming their original culture.

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Roman culture was spread all over. It was practices and admired. But it never REPLACED the original culture. it just co-existed. When the Roamns left after the fall of the empire ppl only then started to integrate the parts they liked into their culture. The European culture you see now has bits of that. It has has bits of Egyptain culture and some Nordic and some arabic.

So even the "White" culture is not even pure eventhe middle ages. Even LESS during the renaissance

2, Culture dies by NOT being pracised or being abandoned. The fact is that really even if the latin language "died" its still exists within the latin-type languages. The roman culture is not abandoned. Same with the Viking culture or the Greek culture.

The only thing about those cultures that is NO LONGER practiced as much is their original belief in their gods.

THAT has been REPLACED by Christianity.

Christianiity has CHANGED european culture WAY MORE than any other factor. Christianity is what UNIFED European culture really.

That was NOT race though. Thats religion.

Check this out

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At the start of the Middle Ages, Europe was a jigsaw puzzle of ethnic groups. These ethnic groups, with the exception of the classical cultures, did not occupy any fixed territory or constitute individual nations of any kind. They were in constant contact with one another and with the cultures in the Mediterranean, Mesopotamia, and even further east.

These ethnic groups were also in fairly constant motion, displacing other ethnic groups and, in their turn, being displaced by other ethnic groups—including cultural groups from Asia. The early history of the Middle Ages might be regarded as the period in which this conflictual multiculturalism still largely characterizes the European experience; it differs, however, in the introduction of a shared cultural practice: Christianity.

The history, you might say, of early medieval Europe is about the acquiring of a world view that all Europeans would eventuallly hold in common, the Christian world view. For the glue that turned the multilingual, multicultural group of peoples into a single people was this religion: it not only united Europe in a single religious world view, it also gave Europe a single language: Latin. This early period, which saw the same types of migrations and multiculturalism as the classical and prehistoric periods, is the story of the introduction of a standard cultural form and its consequent social structure on the various peoples of Europe.

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http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MA/INTRO.HTM

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Tell me WHAT was replaced in each of those cultures.

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Its a piece of shit because it sucks because its a piece of shit.

You really good at going in circles. Not that good at saying something logical or giving specific examples.

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When nothing is good - it can't be that great.

And the quality of life and everything is falling.

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So? If they speak another language does that mean they CANNOT speak Italian? Fluently and correctly?

They can only have one brain for ONE language?

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They all speak Spanish as the offical language if you want to know.

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Wiki says Argentina has 1,500,000 Italian speakers - out of a population of 40,677,348.

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You mean the native american culture? It is still there. Their population is a minority though.

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They are doing great

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What refuses to do what?

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Look at this (from Argentina on wiki):

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Abipón and Chané are now extinct languages that were spoken by people indigenous to Argentina before European contact

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They didn't just die out themselves - they came int CONTACT with other culture.

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Thats true I never denied that. And that can lead to problems yeah.

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Yes it CAN! It didn't in your area but it CAN and it DOES.

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But, when cultures seem like they coexist for a while - they may.

But, once that stops - destruction of culture happens.

This is irreversible. It's impossible to prove that cultures will always coexist - because only time can tell.

But, you can truthfully say that cultures can overrun and replace each other - because that's something that can happen and isn't reversible.

Your state may seem all well today - but it may change soon.

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SOME do.

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Are we going to test them before they come to our nation?

We can't tell - we should just take the safe, less destructive route.

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Often there is if pple immigrate in small numbers and are spread around. The problem is that dind't happen in your area.

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If the same thing happens enough - a culture can be ultimately destroyed.

It's not a good thing, we better just avoid it and let each culture live.

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Yes and no. The US DOES have one mainstream culture. But its not white or black or asian. Its the American culture.

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Jazz is American culture, Blues is American culture. Swing is American culture. Holloywood movies is American culture. Christmas carols and Hanukkah are part of American culture. Native American culture is American culture.

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Christmas didn't originate in the USA and Hanukka is a Jewish holiday.

Amerind culture is for Amerinds - who tend to distance themselves from other Americans when they speak of culture and traditions.

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But people can also maintain and practice their home culture on the side. SO long as they are WILLING to

American culture doesn't have to be a homogoneous bland goop to be good. Its like a cake or a cookie with part that are blended and other parts that give it crunch and taste. Like an cholocate chip cookie with pecans and some caramel.

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That kid just lost some of his lunch, and he'll never get it back.
If he wanted your cookies, he would ask for them.

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We all speak English.

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So why are you bitching. I thought you said your aread was 1/3 white only

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Sure but what's wrong if they spread? And the more they spread the more the chance to survive.

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If ONLY italians in italy practiced Italian culture things would be fucking dull in the US.

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If Italian music could only be practices in Italy it'd be fucked for the musicans here in the US.

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Usually, culture from other areas that you experience here is AMERICANIZED. It's not even the real thing.

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Speaking of which that symphony music thing is another exmplae of something thats dying. They only practice it for the rich in the US so no one gives rat ass about it.  The reason hiphop is the thing is that A LOT of ppl listen to it. Not just ppl in the hood or black ppl

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Just another proof that spreading culture OUTSIDE where it comes from is GOOD.

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1. It never really happens totally.

Roman culture was spread all over. It was practices and admired. But it never REPLACED the original culture. it just co-existed.

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When the Roamns left after the fall of the empire ppl only then started to integrate the parts they liked into their culture. The European culture you see now has bits of that. It has has bits of Egyptain culture and some Nordic and some arabic.

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2, Culture dies by NOT being pracised or being abandoned. The fact is that really even if the latin language "died" its still exists within the latin-type languages. The roman culture is not abandoned. Same with the Viking culture or the Greek culture.

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If every culture pushed itself out, I'd be hit with so much foreign culture I wouldn't be able to breathe.

All culture would mix, and we'd have one united, bland, culture of sameness. UGH!

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The only thing about those cultures that is NO LONGER practiced as much is their original belief in their gods.

THAT has been REPLACED by Christianity.

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Christianiity has CHANGED european culture WAY MORE than any other factor. Christianity is what UNIFED European culture really.

That was NOT race though. Thats religion.

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Just because it isn't alive to be missed doesn't mean it wasn't something worth keeping.

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Check this out

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So what if Europe had cultural influence from other places. THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY DESTRUCTION OF CULTURE.

Never in a million years will I support killing a culture, race, people, or language.

That's genocide in my book - and is disgusting.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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YOU answer it.

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I don't know if they are exact replicas. I'd say that if ppl really like the culture then yeah they move as much of it as possible.

Even in Italy the Italian language is not an exact replica in every area. Some parts of italy have different words included. People don't make the same Pizza in the North of italy as in the south. They have iddferent types of pastas. Venitain culture is different from Florence culture.

So replica of what really.

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I can't think of many good things about it...

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You do not like the US from the very beginning? from its creation? You don't like the English langauge? You don't like the Anthem? You don't like the pledge of allegiance? You don't like Founding fathers? You don't like American democracy?

You don't like the pilgrims? You don't like Thanskgiving or the Fourth of July or Veteran's day? You don't like its geography? You don't like its climate?

NONE  of that?

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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No.
Does 100% of the population speak fluent Italian?

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There you go.
The Spanish language isn't Italian culture.
Therefore, LANGUAGE has been replaced.

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Wiki says Argentina has 1,500,000 Italian speakers - out of a population of 40,677,348.

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Is every single aspect of it still around - with nothing replaced, destroyed, or left behind?

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Oh, so culture and language can survive without being widely distributed everywhere?

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Cultures can't coexist.

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Abipón and Chané are now extinct languages that were spoken by people indigenous to Argentina before European contact

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The Chané language was a dialect of the Terana language it was only located ina smallarea of argentine.

I mean sure if the people totally get killed off  the culture will disappear.

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Those two languages became so uncommon due to OTHER CULTURE.

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They didn't just die out themselves

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Why take the chance?

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If you want things to go better you should push for INTEGRATION NOT SEGREGATION.

Thats NOT what you do though.

Maybe they will SEEM to integrate - but when things stop for a second and become different, things happen.

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Look Jakelong. You can't tell the future.

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Its happening in my city. People of many many different cultures and origin and ancestry are living togther PEACEFULLY and leave each other alone or get along fine.

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But, once that stops - destruction of culture happens.

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Ok think about it for a minute. Suppose where you live was the ONLY place where white culture was practiced in the WHOLE world.

Then yeah you'd be totally fucked.

But guess what you culture has spread all around the US and even all around the world. It has spread in Europe, in Asia in Africa, everywhere.

That is not true of other cultures you know.

Like for example French culture is dying out according to some french ppl. Not sure if thats true but the reason they say is that

1. French don't reproduce fast enough
2. French culture is only practiced in France, Its kind odf practiced in lousiana and quebec too.
3. everybody hates the French anyway.

The thing is that used to be that alot of ppl used to speak french and they really liked French ppl before even the Russians and the Americans. So French culture used to be the coolest thing ever in the 18th century and 18th century!!! Im totally serious!! (its hard to believe now yeah) I mean ppl would speak French and make French cooking and speak French.

Well now everyone says fuck the French so the culture is just fucked even if its still in France.

OTOH Irish culture  is doing GREAT. you know why? Becasue its Not just Irish ppl in Ireland who practice it. People in the US and Australia with Irish origin practice it sure but ALSO everybody who just likes ireland and theres huge shitload of them! And yeah thats cool!


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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Why should they have to?

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Therefore, culture has been destroyed in that area - and if it wasn't for Italy, much of it would be lost.

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So people CANNOT be bilingual or multilingual? People CANNOT speak MORE THAN ONE language?

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Therefore, it's not a good copy of Italian culture - and it can't save it if Italy dies out.

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I don't see ANY REPLACEMENT here.

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THEREFORE - Italian culture has been REPLACED by all but 1.5 million million of them.

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So long as theyre are people interested in preserving it intact no. Again WHAT part of that culture would you say was REPLACED or DESTROYED?

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Sure, SOME speak it - but it's probably going to just die out eventually.

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They can sure. But they can also run more the RISK of disappearing.

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If cultures pretty much stayed in their area - what would replace the original culture?

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They do all the time. Italian and German and French cultures co exist in Switzerland.

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In some specific sections of Switzerland, people only have this culture. In other parts - only this and so on.

You might as well say cultures can exist because there is more than one on Earth.

But, in a community, it can't happen for long. You can go give your community as an example, but it won't work. Can you PROVE that in 5, 10, 20, or 30 years that it will be the same, culturally?

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The reason for that is the Abipón were slaughtered.

The Chané language was a dialect of the Terana language it was only located ina smallarea of argentine.

I mean sure if the people totally get killed off  the culture will disappear.

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It wasn't mere "contact". it was active warfare and slaughter of the Abipon people combined with FORCED conversion and relocation out of their land.

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No nation is so big and so powerful that it does not fall prey to the iron laws of the survival of its civilization. A civilization will continue intact as long as the people, or race, who built that civilization, remain present.

As soon as those originating people disappear, or are assimilated into a new racial group, then that original civilization will "fall" or become changed to reflect the new racial population make-up.

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Once the people that practice the culture die out (Through mixing or warring) the culture will fall with them.

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Why not? This country became what it is thanks to immigrants MOST integrate after a generation or two.

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People don't always choose to integrate. Many choose to be DIFFERENT - and like that. Once they're with other people that are different - being "Different" is now NORMAL.

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If you want things to go better you should push for INTEGRATION NOT SEGREGATION.

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People don't choose to integrate, really.

"Stop the hate - separate!"

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Thats NOT what you do though.

Maybe they will SEEM to integrate - but when things stop for a second and become different, things happen.

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If they did - there wouldn't be as large of a cultural difference - or even a linguistic one.

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I am not speaking of the futute. I am speaking of the presnt.

Its happening in my city. People of many many different cultures and origin and ancestry are living togther PEACEFULLY and leave each other alone or get along fine.

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You can't be sure Jakelong.

I wish people could be compatible - but we're so different. It's like throwing a cat in a pack of wolves - they JUST DON'T DO IT.

The only way is to make everyone the exact same - and that itself has a large number of bad things with it.

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Well don't let it happen. In fact the BEST way to do is to spread it. Why?

Ok think about it for a minute. Suppose where you live was the ONLY place where white culture was practiced in the WHOLE world.

Then yeah you'd be totally fucked.

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But guess what you culture has spread all around the US and even all around the world. It has spread in Europe, in Asia in Africa, everywhere.

That is not true of other cultures you know.

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Like for example French culture is dying out according to some french ppl. Not sure if thats true but the reason they say is that

1. French don't reproduce fast enough
2. French culture is only practiced in France, Its kind odf practiced in lousiana and quebec too.
3. everybody hates the French anyway.  

The thing is that used to be that alot of ppl used to speak french and they really liked French ppl before even the Russians and the Americans. So French culture used to be the coolest thing ever in the 18th century and 18th century!!! Im totally serious!! (its hard to believe now yeah) I mean ppl would speak French and make French cooking and speak French.

Well now everyone says fuck the French so the culture is just fucked even if its still in France.

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But, alas, France is going through a cultural change.

France is a multicultural/racial country - I WONDER why they think it's dying out...

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OTOH Irish culture  is doing GREAT. you know why? Becasue its Not just Irish ppl in Ireland who practice it. People in the US and Australia with Irish origin practice it sure but ALSO everybody who just likes ireland and theres huge shitload of them! And yeah thats cool!

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As of 2006, the French national institute of statistics INSEE estimated that 4.9 million foreign-born immigrants live in France (8% of the country's population) [2]: The number of French citizens with foreign origins is generally thought to be around 6.7 million [3] according to the 1999 Census conducted by INSEE, which ultimately represents one tenth of the country's population. (Ranked by the largest national groups, above 60,000 persons).

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See the difference?
France, many WN's think, will "become nonWhite faster than any current White Nation" - this isn't counting South Africa.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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If they don't - Italian culture isn't fully represented there.

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They can be - but, only a small portion actually speaks Italian

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Argentina has more than 1,500,000 Italian speakers; this tongue is the second most spoken language in the nation

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so only a small portion can POSSIBLY represent Italian culture,

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at the time the great majority of Italians spoke only their local Italian dialect and not the unified, standard Italian. This prevented any expansion of the use of the Italian language as a primary language in Argentina. The similarity of the Italian dialects with Spanish also enabled the immigrants to assimilate, by using the Spanish language, with relative ease

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In fact BEFORE 1850 this is what was going on IN ITALY

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Two notable defining moments in the history of the Italian language came between 1500 and 1850. Both events were invasions. The rulers of Spain (themselves members of the Habsburg dynasty) invaded and occupied Italy down to Rome and the Vatican in the mid-16th century (see the aftermath of the Italian Wars). This occupation left a lasting influence upon the formerly irregular Italian grammar, simplifying it to conform more with the dominant Spanish language.

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So which side of the Atlantic "destroyed" the Italina language more?

Was the Italian culture "destroyed" until the Italian dialect was fixed and standardized?

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Therefore, it's not a good copy of Italian culture - and it can't save it if Italy dies out.

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Well, the rest of the population replaced the Italian language with the other of their choice.

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Sure, SOME speak it - but it's probably going to just die out eventually.

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Another culture has to replace it - or the people have to die.

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If cultures pretty much stayed in their area - what would replace the original culture?

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When they don't they die Thats why the Italian culture ministry is HAPPY that argentinians follow the Italian culture. In some ways they might PRESERVE the Italian culture of the old days.

I fact the NEW immigrants from Italy are remodifiying things in Argentine

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According to a study conducted by National Scientific and Technical Research Council of Argentina, and published in Bilingualism: Language and Cognition (ISSN 1366-7289) [8] The researchers note that this is relatively recent phenomenon, starting in the beginning of the 20th century with the main wave of Southern Italian immigration. Before that, the porteño accent was more similar to that of Spain, especially Andalusia

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Well, you're speaking of a whole country.

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In some specific sections of Switzerland, people only have this culture. In other parts - only this and so on.

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Take Zurich

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The official language used by the government and in most publications is German, while the most commonly spoken dialect in Zürich is Zürich German (Zürichdeutsch or Züritüütsch), which is a local dialect of Swiss German. As of 2000, German is the mother-tongue of 77.7% of the population. Italian follows behind at 4.7% of the population. Other native languages spoken by more than 1% of the population include South Slavic languages (2.2%) — this includes Serbian, Croatian, Macedonian, and Slovenian), Spanish (2.2%), French (2.1%), English (1.8%), Portuguese (1.6%), Albanian (1.5%).[

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Pretty fucking muticultural if you ask me.

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Geneva belongs to la Suisse romande (French-speaking Switzerland). While French is the official language, English, German, Italian and Spanish are widely spoken. English is the official language of most multinational companies and international groups based in Geneva, where nearly 100,000 English speakers are based.

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Lots of "destroyed" cultures right here.

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The official language, and the one used for most written communication, is Italian. Despite being very similar to standard Italian, Swiss Italian presents some differences to the Italian spoken in Italy due to the presence of French and German from which it assimilates words. A clear example would be the driving licence. In standard Italian it is called "patente di guida" while in Swiss Italian it becomes "Licenza di condurre", from the French "Permis de conduire". Another example is the interurban bus. In standard Italian it would be "autobus" or "corriera" while in Swiss Italian it is the "Autopostale" (because nearly all interurban lines are run by the Swiss Post). In oral communication, Ticinese varieties of Western Lombard are still well preserved, although receding in favour of Italian (especially in the cities of Lugano, Ascona and Locarno and among the younger generations). These are further subdivided into local variations, with the northern valleys speaking a dialect more closely aligned with Romansh, Switzerland's fourth official language. There is a certain amount of popular literature (poems, comedies, etc.) in Ticinese, and the national radio and sometimes televisions trasmit program in Ticinese (mainly comedies).

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And yeah theres NO CULTURE in Swtizerland of course/ Right? Right....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Switzerland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_folklore

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You might as well say cultures can exist because there is more than one on Earth.

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Cough* Whites are dying off *Cough*

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Once the people that practice the culture die out (Through mixing or warring) the culture will fall with them.

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A lot of tribes weres segregated and still died out because of that.

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Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves "Americans" first. The rest consider themselves either "Hispanic/Latino" or their former nationality first.
Only 57% of Hispanics that have parents born in the USA consider themselves Americans first.
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/20021217a-index.cfm" target="_top">http://http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/20021217a-index.cfm

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Good News

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Adrian Vargas came to America at age 4, running across the U.S.-Mexico border with his mom. Now 23, the silk screen artist from San Jose speaks perfect English, graduated from Lincoln High, started a business and rejoices in the election of Barack Obama.

"He makes me feel American for the first time," Vargas said.

While the nation has focused on Obama breaking the highest glass ceiling to become America's first black president, his election has unleashed a torrent of emotions from all people of color. In Silicon Valley, minorities talk excitedly about new optimism and opportunity. But something more subtle is also taking hold, a feeling of being genuinely included in the nation's political and social tapestry.

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http://thelatinojournal.blogspot.com/2008/11/hispanic-immigrants-among-those-who.html

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People don't always choose to integrate. Many choose to be DIFFERENT

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The vast majority—93 percent—of foreign-born Hispanics speak some Spanish at home, compared with only 63 percent of the native born. However, the preponderance of evidence shows that proficiency in and preference for Spanish decline over time and across generations.

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Intermarriage is a crucial indicator of assimilation because, by blurring racial and ethnic boundaries or reducing the numbers who self-identify as Hispanic, it has direct implications for the future size and shape of ethnic populations, as well as for the persistence of Hispanic as an ethnic category.

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http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11539&page=7

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Social scientists have long considered high levels of racial and ethnic intermarriage - along with language acquisition, socioeconomic attainment, and residential patterns — a bellwether of social integration into the larger American society. Intermarriage requires individuals in different groups to form intimate attachments, which suggests that group boundaries are fading in importance and that preferences for marriage within the group are weak.

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http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=444

Mixing  ==> Integration

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 People don't choose to integrate, really.

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My grandfather died in the 70s, and my grandma is still around. She speaks 6 languages fluently, and taught college. Russian, English, Italian, Spanish, German, and French. She lived, and still does live in a culturally mixed area. She taught college in NY for years, and didn't lose her heritage, she was friends with many minorities. She was fine...I say was because now she's 97 and barely remembers anything.

So my Dad and his sister are 100% Italian. They speak it just fine, and They both married outside of their race. Grew up in Manhattan, and moved out to San Francisco in the late 70s. They've been just fine, and continue their traditions. My aunt taught her 5 kids Italian well enough to live in Italy, and they're 50% Italian and other 50% is a mix of a bunch of cultures. I personally don't speak that much, barely any since I didn't care that much. My dad, and Aunt have taught us how to cook, very well I might add.

Multi Culturalism isn't a bad thing. It's only intolerant, ignorant cunts that fear it. Guess what "White People" aren't a minority. The only way white people are minority if you compare them to EVERY OTHER culture combined. Which is exactly what White Nationalists, aka Nazi Fagots do. You want to know who the minority is? White Nationalists, aka Nazi Fagots.

Nobody really gives a shit about you guys. Hell not even most white people like you. They fucking hate you guys, and your ideals. Does this mean they're about to go out and breed with people of other cultures? NO! It just means they have no problem living with other cultures, and the only reason they'd breed with another culture is by choice! If they fell in love with a Asian woman, or Black guy they might have kids with that person, or adopt.

The main reasons you guys even get attention is. Everyone finds you to be a fucking joke, and they find what you believe hilarious. All of you White Nationalists aka Nazi Fagots COMBINED aren't a fucking threat. Hell the vast majority of you don't have the stones to do shit anyways. You get "educated" by reading some of the most biased crap on the planet, and by isolating your self from the real world, and breed among yourselves, which unless you brainwash ALL of your children into believing the Nazi Fagot way. You'll all be inbred pieces of shit, nobody would want to even look at. The other reason you guys get attention, is so people can beat you. A very, very small fraction of a percentage of people think what you have to say matters.

If you guys want to impress someone, or argue with some one who gives a shit. Go talk to some 5 year olds, or the black panthers. Hell I don't think ANY white nationalist aka Nazi Fagot would even go to wear black panthers are to have a debate. You'd be too scared of getting the shit kicked out of you, unless you brought a parade of other Nazi Fagots.

Now be a good cunt, and move it along KR.

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You have to have 100% of everybody speaking italin for the culture to be intact?

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If the majority of people don't speak Italian - then you can be sure that Italian culture isn't fully represented in Argentina, and only bits and pieces are there.

Therefore, it would be like saying we can use Chimpanzees to preserve the human species if we die out - they're similar and have many of same attributes, but are they human enough to keep our species alive?

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All you need is for one person to speak fully italian for italian culture to be fully represented in one area.

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Here's a bit of history for you

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1.5 million out of OVER 40 million is not much.

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In fact BEFORE 1850 this is what was going on IN ITALY

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Italy is for Italian culture.
Argentina is for whatever culture they want.

It should stay that way - because if Italy had too many immigrants and their culture was lost - there would be nobody else to keep it alive.

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So which side of the Atlantic "destroyed" the Italina language more?  

Was the Italian culture "destroyed" until the Italian dialect was fixed and standardized?

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Which italian language would have been less Spanish before 1850?

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We're talking about now. Culture doesn't come back from the dead.

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Since the Italian language was not even standradized by then it was NOT replaced.

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If they speak Spanish - they are obviously not celebrating the language part of Italian culture.

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I don't see why it would or should with 70% of the ppulation being ITalian and with constant friednly contacts with Italy.

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The USA is in friendly contact with Japan - are we walking to work in Kimonos?

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You like to speak in absolute eh? "CAN'T", "HAS TO", "MUST"

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The people that practice it die - or the culture itself doesn't get practiced.

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ITself. Cultures evolve. The italian culture evolved frm the start. It was different under the Roman empire. in the 1400, in the 1600, in the 1800, in 21st century.

When they don't they die Thats why the Italian culture ministry is HAPPY that argentinians follow the Italian culture. In some ways they might PRESERVE the Italian culture of the old days.

I fact the NEW immigrants from Italy are remodifiying things in Argentine

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But, if people invade a country, through immigration or force, and overtake/overpower that culture, that is destruction.

Evolution isn't destruction of culture - just change. It's not forced.

Forced "Assimilation" is forced culture change.

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Horrible eh? How those cultures keep "destroying"  each other!

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The North Italians that I've met seem to hate South Italians and don't refer to them as "Italians" at all.

I've spoken to two South Italians and they've both agreed that North Italy isn't to fond of them.

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Yup and a nd a pretty fucking successful one too. And the fact thats its got those 3 lanuages and culture made it be netrual during world wars and made it even MORE successful and rich.

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Hitler had no reason to "Invade" it.

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Historical research and documents clearly show that if the Nazis wanted to invade Switzerland, it would have been quick and relatively easy. The reason Germany spared its tiny neighbor to the south was because Switzerland proved much more useful as an independent state than as a satellite. The Swiss made many useful weapon components (aluminium for the Luftwaffe, spark plugs for jeeps taken from the Russians, timing devices for bombs, among other things), and thus their factories were not bombed every night.

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The Swiss also refused to join the UN (The United *Cough* Multicultural*Cough* Nations) and they tend to keep legal immigration European. But, like many other countries in that area, they get a lot of illegal immgration. =(

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Not really.

Take Zurich

Pretty fucking muticultural if you ask me.

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There are officially 376,815 people living in Zürich (as of the 4th quarter of 2007), making it Switzerland's largest city. 30.6% of registered inhabitants do not hold Swiss citizenship, which is 115,379 people.

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Lots of "destroyed" cultures right here.

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And yeah theres NO CULTURE in Swtizerland of course/ Right? Right....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Switzerland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_folklore

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Switzerland is full of foreign culture. It's a little country that has been invaded by Romans, Germanics, Frenchies, and more.

They have a lot of culture - but do they have a distinct culture that they created themselves, or did they mix it all up?

Do they have their own language? Wiki claims they have FOUR languages.

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The culture of Switzerland is influenced by its neighbours but over the years a distinctive culture with some regional differences and an independent streak has developed.

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It's more of a take this and that and make something else - adding a personal touch every now and then.

Is it worth preserving? I guess so, but they get so many immigrants from Germany, Italy, etc that they just add more culture that is already present in the original culture - it doesn't make a difference.

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They can CO-exists yeah.

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Can you prove it? Can you prove that, eventually, one culture wouldn't dominate and each culture could stay distinct?

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Make more babies. Thers' still time for that.

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There's still time to make our own country.

Why are you so opposed to Whites having their own country? Why can't we do what we want if it doesn't affect you and we seem to think it's better for our survival?

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with 2.4% mixing rate  yeah thats like so huge. Even if you segregate to an island you'll still de off if you don't mke enough babies.

A lot of tribes weres segregated and still died out because of that.

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If all goes well - the highly intelligent mothers will sit at home (instead of working) and get PAID to have kids and raise them.

The idea is still in the development stage, but - trust me - if/when Whites get their own nation, they will make sure to repopulate.

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Usually first generation do. Second generation integrate more.

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Integration is turning hispanic!

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Mixing  ==> Integration

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It's not worth it at all.

Mixing will destroy race - and so will lack of integration.

Why fix one when it will make the other happen?

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Many do. But you gotta wait a generation or so.

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If the population becomes 90% Latin American, if someone "Integrates" - will they become more Latin American or more "American"?

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Multi Culturalism isn't a bad thing. It's only intolerant, ignorant cunts that fear it. Guess what "White People" aren't a minority. The only way white people are minority if you compare them to EVERY OTHER culture combined. Which is exactly what White Nationalists, aka Nazi Fagots do. You want to know who the minority is? White Nationalists, aka Nazi Fagots.

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White people will no longer make up a majority of Americans by 2042, according to new government projections. That's eight years sooner than previous estimates, made in 2004.

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Whites are going from 12% to 8% and falling as the worldwide population.

And what do you think a White Nationalist is? A Nazi?

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Nobody really gives a shit about you guys. Hell not even most white people like you. They fucking hate you guys, and your ideals.

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The main reasons you guys even get attention is. Everyone finds you to be a fucking joke, and they find what you believe hilarious. All of you White Nationalists aka Nazi Fagots COMBINED aren't a fucking threat. Hell the vast majority of you don't have the stones to do shit anyways. You get "educated" by reading some of the most biased crap on the planet, and by isolating your self from the real world, and breed among yourselves, which unless you brainwash ALL of your children into believing the Nazi Fagot way. You'll all be inbred pieces of shit, nobody would want to even look at. The other reason you guys get attention, is so people can beat you. A very, very small fraction of a percentage of people think what you have to say matters.

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If you guys want to impress someone, or argue with some one who gives a shit. Go talk to some 5 year olds, or the black panthers. Hell I don't think ANY white nationalist aka Nazi Fagot would even go to wear black panthers are to have a debate. You'd be too scared of getting the shit kicked out of you, unless you brought a parade of other Nazi Fagots.

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kidd rune and jake long are best friends

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kidd rune and jake long are best friends

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I didn't befriend him back in case you wonder.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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If the majority of people don't speak Italian - then you can be sure that Italian culture isn't fully represented in Argentina, and only bits and pieces are there.

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Blacks are a minority and yet African Aermican culture is fully represented in the US.

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Therefore, it would be like saying we can use Chimpanzees

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It would only be represented by one person (implying that they practice ALL Italian culture - not just language).

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Second most spoken doesn't mean much. 1.5 million out of OVER 40 million is not much.

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What's your point?

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Argentina can't serve as another homeland for the Italian culture.

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It should stay that way - because if Italy had too many immigrants and their culture was lost - there would be nobody else to keep it alive.

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I don't think Argentina destroyed any of Italys culture - in Italy.

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We're talking about now. Culture doesn't come back from the dead.

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Language doesn't need to be standardized to be a language. If they speak Spanish - they are obviously not celebrating the language part of Italian culture.

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So Argentinians are FULLY celebrating the Italian culture of the 1850 even if they speak Spanish and with the internet they can celebrate the Italain culture of 2008.

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The USA is in friendly contact with Japan - are we walking to work in Kimonos?

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But here some Americans in kimonos

http://nccbf.org/home/

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP