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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:06 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Can they also be spoofed that by clicking on the link to the Windows Update site in Win XP, you get those sites?

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Given that your friends probably already had some amount of malware that could potentially be doing whatever it wants, nothing is out of the question.

For the record, I download my updates as soon as they come out, and have always done so, and I have never gotten any malware delivered to me from Microsoft's servers.  

Your making an extraordinarily dubious assumption and providing absolutely no evidence, and given how easily computers can become infected with malware (even through no fault of the user) which can pose as Microsoft, it is very clear that Microsoft is not actually delivering viruses.

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Look, if I knew that it would become a conversation about Microsoft's credibility, I would have saved it. But I'm not saving every little thing I come across out of the possibility that it could become usefull some day.

I'm not asking you to alter your opinions about Microsoft or whatever, and I agree that it could possibly be some sort of mal/grayware or something that got spread around that my anti-virus didn't knew about at that time.

And I'm never downloading updates emmediantly, I first always look at what it actually does. Most of them are just cosmetical changes, like fonts or some shit. So I then say "no". I standardly have Windows Auto-Updates turned off. And once in every so months it completely ignores me and just downloads everything and installs it.

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Ashtrey8, your an idiot.

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Why? Because I'm not on the Microsoft bandwagon?

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Quote: from drifting at 4:57 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 7:52 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from telomere13 at 4:20 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Ashtrey8, you're the only person I've ever heard of claiming to get viruses from Microsoft. Seriously, if Microsoft Update was sending people viruses, everyone would get them, and at least someone who actually researches this stuff would have noticed.

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  I actually had a document with the name of the updates on my old computer. I send a faction of that to Microsoft and they did take out a few of them after they checked them out. And just you haven't heard of it before, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

  I've heard it from multiple people that they got virusses installed on their computer due to Microsoft's website. Not by the "update" thingie, but by manual updating.

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 No, you dont understand, that just doesnt happen with a legitimate copy of anything.  

 Microsoft would NEVER release a virus on their site.

 If someone is downloading beta updates, or installing the wrong update, and its making their machine unstable, thats there own fault for not getting the right download. It still isnt a virus or any sort of malware.  

 If I was you, I would quit with this argument before you come out looking like a complete moron (or at least more of a complete moron)

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I've had too trouble with messy back-door operating systems to rely on them fully anymore. Those things came straight from a store baught authentic Windows XP cd. Microsoft is a huge-ass company and does make mistakes. Trying to show it off like they never have virusses on their websites is like saying Defence departments never fuck up. Maybe intentionally by Microshit or corrupted by a hacker, all I know is that my computer got fucked over multiple times by virusses that came with the update files from Windows XP. And not just my computer.

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.

It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

Get over it.

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.

It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.  

Get over it.

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Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.

Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.

What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.

Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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Quote: from drifting at 5:29 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.  

 It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

 Get over it.

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Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.  

Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.

What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.

Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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But your missing one key fact:

If there was a problem, more than just you would have it.

Again, Microsoft has Windows running on millions of computers world wide. Add in the fact that hackers do love to brag and get credit for there work, someone other than you would know about it.

The news media would pick it up. People would know about it.

End of story.

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And I'm never downloading updates emmediantly, I first always look at what it actually does. Most of them are just cosmetical changes, like fonts or some shit. So I then say "no". I standardly have Windows Auto-Updates turned off. And once in every so months it completely ignores me and just downloads everything and installs it.

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If you actually updated as soon as possible, you'd get less malware, and then you wouldn't have these viruses "from Microsoft."  The time between when a security update is released and when a user actually updates is critical, because as soon as an update gets released, the security hole that the update patches is public.

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:39 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:29 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.  

  It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.    

  Get over it.

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 Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.  

 Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.  

 What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.  

 Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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But your missing one key fact:

If there was a problem, more than just you would have it.  

Again, Microsoft has Windows running on millions of computers world wide. Add in the fact that hackers do love to brag and get credit for there work, someone other than you would know about it.  

The news media would pick it up. People would know about it.  

End of story.

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Where did you ever read me stating I'm the only person that I'm aware of that recieved that? Microsoft servers are scattered worldwide to allow a faster connection. You're in America, I'm in Europe and I've heard people I know locally about the same issue. So maybe it was an European server hosting it?

Again this is all from 2 years back, it's checking a fucking corpse for a pulse.

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:18 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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And I'm never downloading updates emmediantly, I first always look at what it actually does. Most of them are just cosmetical changes, like fonts or some shit. So I then say "no". I standardly have Windows Auto-Updates turned off. And once in every so months it completely ignores me and just downloads everything and installs it.

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If you actually updated as soon as possible, you'd get less malware, and then you wouldn't have these viruses "from Microsoft."  The time between when a security update is released and when a user actually updates is critical, because as soon as an update gets released, the security hole that the update patches is public.

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I said I just ignored cosmetical updates, but security updates that are actually relevant for my activity on the computer, I do download.

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I said I just ignored cosmetical updates, but security updates that are actually relevant for my activity on the computer, I do download.

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Yes, but manually screening updates for whether they're "relevant" or not takes time and gives you a disadvantage over people who let them happen automatically, particularly if you accidentally forget to check them for a while.

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:50 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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I said I just ignored cosmetical updates, but security updates that are actually relevant for my activity on the computer, I do download.

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Yes, but manually screening updates for whether they're "relevant" or not takes time and gives you a disadvantage over people who let them happen automatically, particularly if you accidentally forget to check them for a while.

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I actually have the discipline to do that. I always did that once every 2 days and let my anti-virus scan once every 3 days. It didn't take more than half an hour to screen through the updates.

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Quote: from drifting at 5:44 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:39 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:29 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.  

  It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

  Get over it.

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  Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.  

  Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.

  What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.

  Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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 But your missing one key fact:  

 If there was a problem, more than just you would have it.

 Again, Microsoft has Windows running on millions of computers world wide. Add in the fact that hackers do love to brag and get credit for there work, someone other than you would know about it.

 The news media would pick it up. People would know about it.

 End of story.

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Where did you ever read me stating I'm the only person that I'm aware of that recieved that? Microsoft servers are scattered worldwide to allow a faster connection. You're in America, I'm in Europe and I've heard people I know locally about the same issue. So maybe it was an European server hosting it?

Again this is all from 2 years back, it's checking a fucking corpse for a pulse.

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Thats not relevant. At all.

MSs African servers could be compromised, and it would still be a bigger story than someone inventing a cure for cancer.

Anything like you are describing would be BIG news. Internationally, and locally.

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:49 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:44 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:39 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:29 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.    

    It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.      

    Get over it.

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   Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.    

   Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.    

   What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.    

   Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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  But your missing one key fact:  

  If there was a problem, more than just you would have it.    

  Again, Microsoft has Windows running on millions of computers world wide. Add in the fact that hackers do love to brag and get credit for there work, someone other than you would know about it.    

  The news media would pick it up. People would know about it.    

  End of story.

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 Where did you ever read me stating I'm the only person that I'm aware of that recieved that? Microsoft servers are scattered worldwide to allow a faster connection. You're in America, I'm in Europe and I've heard people I know locally about the same issue. So maybe it was an European server hosting it?  

 Again this is all from 2 years back, it's checking a fucking corpse for a pulse.

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Thats not relevant. At all.

MSs African servers could be compromised, and it would still be a bigger story than someone inventing a cure for cancer.

Anything like you are describing would be BIG news. Internationally, and locally.

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Ugh.. do you actually read what I say? You just converted back 2 posts..

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Quote: from drifting at 6:11 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:49 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:44 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from Ashtrey8 at 8:39 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 5:29 pm on Nov. 6, 2008

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Technology is my hobby. Its what I do. Its my career. Im mildly obsessed. If there were ANY reports of MS servers being compromised, or them releasing any sort of virus or malware, believe me, everyone who has ever read any tech blog would know about it.  

  It didnt happen. Either you were duped and are just to proud to admit it, or you seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

  Get over it.

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  Okay, now think about this, huh. Microsoft is a business. A profitable business which, like Electronic Arts, relies on mass-production. In this case, they want to have a Windows system running on every computer world-wide.  

  Now, if they did release a statement that one of their servers got comprimised, but that it got fixed. They send out an open challenge for hackers to infiltrate their servers and fuck it up. They also send out a message that there are security holes in their operating systems that can be abused. Just because they fixed this one, doesn't cancel out that fact.

  What would happen is that this will effect their sales. It's the same with US schools teaching about how the Federal Reserves work with the banks in reality. People would question the government more, seek more mistakes in the system and they'd be under more attention. It's better for the company/government to focus attention away from it to keep their efforts focused.

  Just because they don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

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  But your missing one key fact:  

  If there was a problem, more than just you would have it.

  Again, Microsoft has Windows running on millions of computers world wide. Add in the fact that hackers do love to brag and get credit for there work, someone other than you would know about it.

  The news media would pick it up. People would know about it.

  End of story.

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  Where did you ever read me stating I'm the only person that I'm aware of that recieved that? Microsoft servers are scattered worldwide to allow a faster connection. You're in America, I'm in Europe and I've heard people I know locally about the same issue. So maybe it was an European server hosting it?

  Again this is all from 2 years back, it's checking a fucking corpse for a pulse.

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 Thats not relevant. At all.  

 MSs African servers could be compromised, and it would still be a bigger story than someone inventing a cure for cancer.  

 Anything like you are describing would be BIG news. Internationally, and locally.

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Ugh.. do you actually read what I say? You just converted back 2 posts..

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No, Im saying you dont know anyone who has legitimately had that problem, and its not just the fact that Im in the US and you arent. If it happened, it would be big news.

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