Just thought that might be an interesting idea to share.

Post edited at 5:22 pm on Oct. 24, 2008 by whoami111

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Logically, we're a threat to the earth that technology would want removed.

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That's interesting. I really do think that if technology become intelligent they would get rid of the humans. I mean seriously, we destroy everything in our paths.

Logically, we're a threat to the earth that technology would want removed.

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would we still be a threat to the earth without technology?

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Put that in your juice box and suck it.

I don't understand why the nanomachines, which owe us their existence, would automatically hate us if they were intelligent.

Do all intelligent beings have to hate humanity or something? Are people really that insecure with our species?

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Why does everyone assume that a new form of intelligent life which owes us its existence and to which we as a species mean no harm will wish harm on us?  

I don't understand why the nanomachines, which owe us their existence, would automatically hate us if they were intelligent.  

Do all intelligent beings have to hate humanity or something? Are people really that insecure with our species?

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Post edited at 9:35 pm on Oct. 24, 2008 by whoami111

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Anyone can make great ideas, but it does not make
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All you have to do is limit their reproductive capabilities and their desire to reproduce, and then make it so that they require fuel (like oil or some shit) and not human fucking flesh to eat, and then regulate their ability to eat it. That is to say, create a system which requires human approval and moderation of consumption.

The machine has to go to a human operator and in some form, get permission to consume and reproduce.

I don't see how it even makes sense that they'd just start swarming the earth eating all life forms, lol.

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Why does everyone assume that a new form of intelligent life which owes us its existence and to which we as a species mean no harm will wish harm on us?

I don't understand why the nanomachines, which owe us their existence, would automatically hate us if they were intelligent.

Do all intelligent beings have to hate humanity or something? Are people really that insecure with our species?

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Although I agree with you to an extent (nanomachines/computers etc. would probably have little reason to hate us), you have to remember that humans have little reason to hate or wreak havoc on who we owe our existence to: the Earth itself. The ecosystem, the order of things..

No other species on this planet has done such global damage than the human race.

We consider ourselves the most intelligent life forms of which we know of and yet our intelligence has lead us into massive problematic situations that affect the environment so much that other species, hell, even ourselves are put at risk.

Sure there are those among humans that attempt to change that, but it takes an entire species to attempt to change that, for the same level of change that occurred when we were oblivious to it - or at least, were seemingly oblivious to it.

What I'm really trying to get at is, if nanomachines, computers, robots, whatever, are created and "released" with AI that equals or surpasses our level of intelligence and self-awareness, who knows what problems this could cause for ourselves and the planet as a whole.

Perhaps these machines will figure the human race - though their creators - are simply a threat in the grand scheme of things. A threat to their mechanized freedom and liberty. Maybe then they will lash out at us, much like we lash out at our environment or other species if they get in our way or create problems for us that perhaps we should find alternate means of fixing (or not fixing).

But then, perhaps this whole argument of mine is flawed. Perhaps if the machines' level of intelligence is greater than human's they will simply not make the same mistakes as we have made (and may continue making).

But then, nothing is perfect, right?

Well, nothing is perfect unless it is designed that way..

Logic is the only thing perfect in this Universe.

And initially, machines were (and still are) made based on logic - logical arguments, routines, programs.

When AI becomes self-aware and conscious.. It will start to become less perfect. It will begin to become selfish.

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Nano-machines won't be "intelligent" anyway, they're fucking nano-machines. We can't even make a super computer intelligent.

You assume a provided free will, nano-machines will be created to achieve purposes.

More than that, you assume self awareness and selfishness, again, these might be possibilities, but by no means are they the reality of machine intelligence.

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You assume too much.

Nano-machines won't be "intelligent" anyway, they're fucking nano-machines. We can't even make a super computer intelligent.

You assume a provided free will, nano-machines will be created to achieve purposes.

More than that, you assume self awareness and selfishness, again, these might be possibilities, but by no means are they the reality of machine intelligence.

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I love how you definitively say what will and won't happen in the future.

One hundred years ago, nobody would have believed we'd have say, the internet..

And anyway, nano-machines will be made "intelligent" if we have the ability (something that will only come with time). Nano-machines will be created to achieve purposes, but eventually they - and other computers - may require free will/self-awareness in order to successfully make the correct and intelligent solutions.

The reality of machine intelligence NOW is that it is based entirely on logic and logical routine.

The reality of machine intelligence in the future where machines may need to be made self-aware and as much human as possible to work most efficiently is that they will not be made so much on logical routine but a learning, adapting system akin to life itself.

Machines will eventually become like us, like life. Because in reality, we are all simply complex machines.

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Can you explain why a nano-machine would need to be self-aware to accomplish any given task, or to problem solve on any level? Why would a machine need higher level introspection to solve practical problems? Even if a machine had self-awareness, who is in the right to claim that they would hate or destroy us? If we have the sufficient technology to create nano-machines, which are essentially robotic micro-ogranisms, with self awareness and true intelligence, is it not reasonable to assume our technology will be sufficient to stop, deter, and prevent any such significant rogue activity?

This idea is singly tracked, and that is why it is flawed. When we have technology so advanced that we can create machines so small they cannot be seen by the naked eye which have massive computing power and the massive storage for data necessary for useful self-awareness and problem solving capability and the physical adaptability to change their function into murderous functionality, we will certainly have the necessary technology to stop and destroy them at a whim.

All I am saying is that this fear of technology is retarded, the same fears that relayed about this kind of shit were relayed about regular computers that's why robot movies were successful etc. The ignorant fears innovation.

It's like that one guy who said "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Fear of the unknown, fear of the consequences of advancing. It's counterproductive and retarded.

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Thus with a kiss I die.