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Fanaticalism isn't limited to Islam
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Quote: from OnlyTooProud at 10:26 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Fanatic's arent limited to Islam at all.

I feel there are a growing number of Christian Extremist's too.

A good website on this is Crusadewatch.com


Yes, yes, but shouldn't we concern ourselves with both original intent and continual application of a particular faith's doctrine before we blindly assume extremists understand their beliefs, in general?

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:54 am on Oct. 29, 2008

Yes, yes, but shouldn't we concern ourselves with both original intent and continual application of a particular faith's doctrine before we blindly assume extremists understand their beliefs, in general?

Be that as it may, isn't it somewhat difficult to do that now?

The Koran has been rewritten several times. We know that the Golden Dome has scriptures not found in the mainstream Koran. Furthermore, we know that a Muslim leader burned all of the copies except for one he had written.

The Bible itself underwent revisions to Canon.

And God knows what the original founder actually wanted.

And I think that extremists understand at least some part of their belief system if not all of it. Their problems lies in interpretation. Which part is more valuable, to be practiced, what isn't valuable, that sort of thing.

Literal creationists for example seem to believe that protecting the bible in a literal form is more important then the moral and ethical teaching of Christ. Defending the 6,000 year time frame is more important then love thy neighbor. Some Muslims interpret Jihad has an external struggle rather then an internal against the forces inside one's self that would turn away from Allah.

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Quote: from obvious child at 10:17 pm on Oct. 29, 2008

Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:54 am on Oct. 29, 2008

Yes, yes, but shouldn't we concern ourselves with both original intent and continual application of a particular faith's doctrine before we blindly assume extremists understand their beliefs, in general?

Be that as it may, isn't it somewhat difficult to do that now?  

The Koran has been rewritten several times. We know that the Golden Dome has scriptures not found in the mainstream Koran. Furthermore, we know that a Muslim leader burned all of the copies except for one he had written.  

The Bible itself underwent revisions to Canon.

And God knows what the original founder actually wanted.  

And I think that extremists understand at least some part of their belief system if not all of it. Their problems lies in interpretation. Which part is more valuable, to be practiced, what isn't valuable, that sort of thing.  

Literal creationists for example seem to believe that protecting the bible in a literal form is more important then the moral and ethical teaching of Christ. Defending the 6,000 year time frame is more important then love thy neighbor. Some Muslims interpret Jihad has an external struggle rather then an internal against the forces inside one's self that would turn away from Allah.


Yes, but keep in mind that I am a Non-denominational Restorationist and I acknowledge Canonical relevance purely from a historical mindset for what Christendom had become, not necessarily what it was meant to be.  I'm more concerned with recognizing First-Century Christianity and appealing solely to religious texts that were considered inspired within first century - early second A.D.  I need not remind you that Christian history is a bit complex whenever we delve into the history and politics of belief throughout nearly 2,000 years, but our doctrine isn't limited to what a particular council stated several times over in several centuries following Christ's death.

Whether or not one chooses to be a literalist when interpreting scripture, one must be mindful that interpretation isn't limited to what specifically is written in black and white.  Scriptures weren't written in a vacuum, which you should be research the socio-political influences of key scriptures along with intentions or commentaries governing overall texts.  First, scriptures were never meant to be taken as a scientific authority, nor were the original writers able to speculate our common knowledge beyond their wildest dreams.  Therefore, if a literal creationist wishes to continue to view the world as they wish to, aren't they alloted the same freedom to do so as others disregard any belief in a God, as well?

I cannot answer for extremist Muslim sects with any authority besides a casual observer from what I've read in my government issue "smart book" when I served in the US Army or what I read in the newspapers from time to time.  However, whenever we compare Judaism with the transition to Christianity, no longer are we, as followers of Yhwh, required to live by the sword; which suggests a radical separation of theological expectations of Jesus, the Christ, along with his followers.

With Islam and the Qu'ran, there's absolutely no revision of a war driven tone throughout most passages where it seems to advocate violence at the sake of one's future spiritual blessings?  Not suggesting that they're the only ones who have this written in their scriptures, which Judaism and Christianity do, as well.  But there's a distinct difference between Judaism viewed as a race and theological mindset or covenant relationship with a perceived God who not only answers their prayers, but views them as his children seemingly foreign to a majority of religious practices in their time.

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Quote: from obvious child at 10:17 pm on Oct. 29, 2008

Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:54 am on Oct. 29, 2008

Yes, yes, but shouldn't we concern ourselves with both original intent and continual application of a particular faith's doctrine before we blindly assume extremists understand their beliefs, in general?


The Koran has been rewritten several times. We know that the Golden Dome has scriptures not found in the mainstream Koran. Furthermore, we know that a Muslim leader burned all of the copies except for one he had written.  


To be fair, after reading the rebuttal from Muslims, I don't think that the Golden Dome writings (which aren't necessarily Qur'anic) and some inscriptions in the Negev desert demonstrate with a high probability, that the Qur'an has underwent revisions, or at least major ones like the New Testament.  Also, unlike the NT, the Qur'an was transmitted orally as Muslims memorized the revelations as they came down to Muhammad.  


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