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Making it illegal, is it a bit too religious of the law? Why or why not?

I personally view outlawing it, to be discrimination... and it seems to force religion on people who don't exactly believe the same thing?

What do you think?

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Just let people do what they want is what I believe.

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I personally view it as discrimination.  Even though the American Government was created through religion, there is nothing in the bible against homosexuals(I think) which would not make it religious at all.

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Quote: from Catalyst11 at 10:53 pm on Oct. 26, 2008

I personally view it as discrimination. Even though the American Government was created through religion, there is nothing in the bible against homosexuals(I think) which would not make it religious at all.

Actually in the bible they say that it is an "abomination", and religious people vote to make it illegal cause they have some weird thought in their head that we are "taking away" from "true" marriage.

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I believe it's alright to be married according to the state, I just find it unreasonable for homosexuals to demand marriage under religions that openly condemn homosexuality, such as Catholicism.

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I think that the state should stay out of marriage and only grant civil unions to both straight and gay couples.

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Quote: from xsharpi at 9:55 pm on Oct. 26, 2008

Quote: from Catalyst11 at 10:53 pm on Oct. 26, 2008

I personally view it as discrimination.  Even though the American Government was created through religion, there is nothing in the bible against homosexuals(I think) which would not make it religious at all.

Actually in the bible they say that it is an "abomination", and religious people vote to make it illegal cause they have some weird thought in their head that we are "taking away" from "true" marriage.

Ah well then it is "religiously right" but it's still discrimination, so Im against it. Let homosexuals love who they love, it's not like they're going and killing the firstborn child of every family. Homosexuality is no big deal. people just make it into one.

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 10:55 pm on Oct. 26, 2008

I believe it's alright to be married according to the state, I just find it unreasonable for homosexuals to demand marriage under religions that openly condemn homosexuality, such as Catholicism.

Hmm, well that religion does however preach of forgiveness and no judging? (This is why I hate religion, UGH! The corruption!) If that is what they want, then they should be allowed it. They aren't hurting each other, and they are simply in love... it's not something that they can prevent. I strongly believe they are simply born that way so why punish them for something they can't help?

I mean that is like not allowing disabled people to marry >.>!

(I don't mean to compare Gays/Lesbians to disabled people, I mean to compare the way both are born in that matter, and can't change themselves to fit the law. =/)



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Quote: from xsharpi at 12:51 am on Oct. 27, 2008

Making it illegal, is it a bit too religious of the law? Why or why not?

I personally view outlawing it, to be discrimination... and it seems to force religion on people who don't exactly believe the same thing?

What do you think?


Believe it or not, there are people who oppose it from non-religious standpoints. I know there are a lot of people who are opposed to the federal government making it law for all of the states rather than the states and the individuals in the states deciding for themselves. As far as outlawing it goes, you don't need to be religious to believe that marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman.

Personally...I don't really think that the government has any business in marriage anyway, and that couples, regardless of relationship or gender, should be able to enter into civil partnerships with the legal benefits of marriage (read: visitation rights, that sort of thing), but that's just me.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 6:06 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Quote: from xsharpi at 12:51 am on Oct. 27, 2008

Making it illegal, is it a bit too religious of the law? Why or why not?  

 I personally view outlawing it, to be discrimination... and it seems to force religion on people who don't exactly believe the same thing?  

 What do you think?


Believe it or not, there are people who oppose it from non-religious standpoints. I know there are a lot of people who are opposed to the federal government making it law for all of the states rather than the states and the individuals in the states deciding for themselves. As far as outlawing it goes, you don't need to be religious to believe that marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman.

Personally...I don't really think that the government has any business in marriage anyway, and that couples, regardless of relationship or gender, should be able to enter into civil partnerships with the legal benefits of marriage (read: visitation rights, that sort of thing), but that's just me.


as soon as you start confering legal benifits, the government must - simply out of necesscity - step in.

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Quote: from Blackadder at 3:19 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

as soon as you start confering legal benifits, the government must - simply out of necesscity - step in.

I agree, which is why marriage wouldn't be a legal institution at all, in my ideal world...there would just be civil unions or partnerships between any two people who wanted to have those kinds of benefits, regardless of gender and relationship.

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Quote: from xsharpi at 12:51 am on Oct. 27, 2008

Making it illegal, is it a bit too religious of the law? Why or why not?

I personally view outlawing it, to be discrimination... and it seems to force religion on people who don't exactly believe the same thing?

What do you think?


Gay marriage is NOT illegal. This is a common misconception.
Gay people can get civil unions quite easily and in any state.
The problem lies in the fact that they can not get the legal BENEFITS of "marriage" because the definition of marriage is --basically-- "A legal union between a man and a woman, approved by the state [meaning government]."
The argument to make gay marriage legal is really one to change the definition of "marriage" from man-woman, to "two consenting adults" or something along those lines.

with that said, yea, it is discrimination to not allow gays to marry.

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Pretty much what most people have already said above; it is a discrimination. Also, forgive my ignorance but does every law has to be based on the bible?

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Quote: from whoami111 at 5:42 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Pretty much what most people have already said above; it is a discrimination. Also, forgive my ignorance but does every law has to be based on the bible?

What does that have to do with anything?

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 3:43 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Quote: from whoami111 at 5:42 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Pretty much what most people have already said above; it is a discrimination. Also, forgive my ignorance but does every law has to be based on the bible?

What does that have to do with anything?


I just want to know.

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