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Quote: from xsharpi at 2:45 pm on Oct. 30, 2008

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Quote: from WeedGuru at 3:43 pm on Oct. 30, 2008

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My opinion is that the Church just used him as a way to convince people God is real. As far as I know, he wasnt even referred to as the true son of god until centuries after his death. He was just a man, as you said. Nothing more

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 This is how I feel.  

 Jesus was a guy, who convinced people he was god by feeding them some sort of drug/food/drink that made them fall for this shit. Then everyone began forcing their children to go to church to avoid being put into a giant oven.

 Mass idiocy

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I dont believe he convinced anyone that he was the son of god, or that he claimed to be anything special. He was just a philosopher that people skewed his image for their benefit.

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No of course not, that is simply my fairy tale version of him jjust like you know, that there is a god out there watching everyones moves, and what not.

Like Santa Claus.

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"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.

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Quote: from The Oath at 9:49 pm on Oct. 30, 2008

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I would never consider Jesus a philosopher; to do so is an insult to western philosophy.

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how so?

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Explain to me why one would think he is a philosopher. I would answer your question properly, however I'm rather busy at the moment.

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A quote by CS Lewis that I think bears repeating:  

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"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.

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Why isn't it possible to say that Jesus was probably just a progressive moralist and nothing more? The "mad, bad, God" argument just comes off as a false dilemma.

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Post edited at 4:46 pm on Oct. 30, 2008 by SovSull

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Quote: from ElephantStone at 5:51 pm on Oct. 30, 2008

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Quote: from The Oath at 9:49 pm on Oct. 30, 2008

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I would never consider Jesus a philosopher; to do so is an insult to western philosophy.

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 how so?

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Explain to me why one would think he is a philosopher. I would answer your question properly, however I'm rather busy at the moment.

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Well philosophy is a comprehensive system of ideas about human nature and the nature of the reality we live in.

I think Jesus would be called a philosopher without having to go into depths of explaining what we already know he preached If you are agreeing with me in the above being philosophy? I dont see how you can argue it.

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