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Doesn't bother me. I have a passport.

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Yeah but it's the principle of what they want to do. They are doing it so that they can get more information on their citizens which they are going to put into a surveillance database.

They are then going to monitor who buys pay as you go phones and possibly wire-tap them to make sure they aren't terrorists.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 4:58 am on Oct. 20, 2008

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Doesn't bother me. I have a passport.

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Yeah but it's the principle of what they want to do. They are doing it so that they can get more information on their citizens which they are going to put into a surveillance database.

They are then going to monitor who buys pay as you go phones and possibly wire-tap them to make sure they aren't terrorists.

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Again. Unless I suddenly have the urge to become a terrorist, I'm not bothered.

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I want David Blue.
Right now.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 12:58 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

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Doesn't bother me. I have a passport.

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I hope you're the first one to die in the government sponsored death camps.

Or perhaps the last one to die. Whichever is a worse fate.

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...why?

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I want David Blue.
Right now.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 12:58 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

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Doesn't bother me. I have a passport.

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 I hope you're the first one to die in the government sponsored death camps.  

 Or perhaps the last one to die. Whichever is a worse fate.

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...why?

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Quote: from SpM at 5:01 am on Oct. 20, 2008

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 12:58 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

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Doesn't bother me. I have a passport.

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  I hope you're the first one to die in the government sponsored death camps.

  Or perhaps the last one to die. Whichever is a worse fate.

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 ...why?

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Because it's the small-minded apathy of cunts like yourself that is resulting in my civil liberties melting faster than the polar ice caps.

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Unfortunately, because there are terrorists lurking about, and crimes happening otherwise, CCTV and a certain level of survelliance is needed. We actually have an extraordinary amount of liberties in this country.
I know - if you think living in the west is that bad, fuck off. Go to a middle eastern country and try bitching about the government. Or a small part of Russia. Maybe Zimbabwe?
You ungrateful, whining bastard.
Unless you have plans to commit crime, you have nothing to worry about.

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Right now.

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Unfortunately, because there are terrorists lurking about, and crimes happening otherwise, CCTV and a certain level of survelliance is needed. We actually have an extraordinary amount of liberties in this country.
I know - if you think living in the west is that bad, fuck off. Go to a middle eastern country and try bitching about the government. Or a small part of Russia. Maybe Zimbabwe?
You ungrateful, whining bastard.
Unless you have plans to commit crime, you have nothing to worry about.

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I'm whiny because I don't live in abject fear of the statistically irrelevant possibility of getting blown up?

Unless you have plans to live in a free society, you have nothing to worry about! Orwell save us.

Come back and talk about it if it does ever pass. It already has lots of opposition anyway: "The proposals have sparked a fierce backlash inside Whitehall. Senior officials in the Home Office have privately warned that the database scheme is impractical, disproportionate and potentially unlawful. The revolt last week forced Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, to delay announcing plans for the database until next year."

Stop overreacting people.

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Stop overreacting people.

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Unfortunately, because there are terrorists lurking about, and crimes happening otherwise, CCTV and a certain level of survelliance is needed. We actually have an extraordinary amount of liberties in this country.  
 I know - if you think living in the west is that bad, fuck off. Go to a middle eastern country and try bitching about the government. Or a small part of Russia. Maybe Zimbabwe?  
 You ungrateful, whining bastard.  
 Unless you have plans to commit crime, you have nothing to worry about.

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You think I'm ungrateful because I actually give a shit about preserving the liberties we're lucky enough to have?

I'm whiny because I don't live in abject fear of the statistically irrelevant possibility of getting blown up?

Unless you have plans to live in a free society, you have nothing to worry about! Orwell save us.

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Statistically irrelevant? 7/7 save us...

Ok, let's have it your way. Let's get rid of this stupid 'ID' stuff.
CCTV? No need for it!
Police records? Get rid of it!

Chaos ensues...

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Right now.

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Unless you have plans to commit crime, you have nothing to worry about.

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Giving away your privacy has never been an option, and never will be.

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Quote: from Wakeupcall at 1:09 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

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Unless you have plans to commit crime, you have nothing to worry about.

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That's the naive and completely idiotic comment that the uninformed say. It's not okay. Saying that I shouldn't be worried if i haven't done anything wrong, isn't the point. The point is they shouldn't be able to intrude on my personal privacy like that. I am guaranteed a right to a private life, and is should be kept that way. Centralised databases are also a massive point of weakness (in terms of security).

Giving away your privacy has never been an option, and never will be.

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Intrude on your privacy like what?
Asking you to prove that you are who you claim to be?

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Right now.

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I, for one, am concerned about the LiveWirian response, not the proposal itself.

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All the response is showing that they need to be more versed in privacy rights and politics.

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Statistically irrelevant? 7/7 save us...  

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Ok, let's have it your way. Let's get rid of this stupid 'ID' stuff.  
CCTV? No need for it!
Police records? Get rid of it!

Chaos ensues...

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Records for law abiding citizens? Fuck off.