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Proof For God. Abiogenesis and Evolution are Bullshit.
Replies: 66Last Post Oct. 20, 2008 7:18pm by draakprinses
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Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 11:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from greatescape11 at 9:17 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

We know nothing.
Stop being an idiot. We know a lot of things.

We think we know a lot of things.  However everything we know is flawed by our own perception.  Therefore we cannot say we know anything definitely.  We can understand something to be true (science) or we can believe something to be true (religion).
Both rest entirely on cognition, not fact.


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How do you know God's a he?

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Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage.  

Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?  

This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS


LMAO. Have you studied anything in cell biology? DNA replication is a very complex process, things don't just slide in place. There's chemical reactions, countless proteins, etc... .  

DNA is meant to be a self-replicating molecule, a wrist watch isn't.  

Big Bang Theory?  

"This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does."

Wait, this seems to go against itself. You say this isn't about religion (and I'm also assuming beliefs), yet you end with a statement involving this.

Have you heard of the Miller experiment? Showing how more complex molecules can come from simpler molecules such as CO2, H20, etc... with heat and light?

"Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?  "

Learn what evolution is. Evolution is not meant to explain the matter in the universe, it's meant to explain changes in life of an organism (on Earth). Natural selection, changes in allele frequencies, none of this has anything to do with matter in the universe.

Read up on some basic cell and molecular biology and evolution.

Post edited at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 by Infinite Inferno


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Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together".

Argument from incredulity.


If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage.

Watches do not randomly mutate.

Watches are not subject to natural selection.

There is no analogy.


How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?

That has nothing to do with with evolution.


This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS

False dichotomy.

You're trolling, right?


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Quote: from FingerSub at 10:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Well, you're both right and wrong.  

 Yes, there was a creator.  

 But it wasn't god.  

 It was aliens.


o rly do you have any evidence what so ever? How did the aliens get there?

Spaceship.  How else?

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

All DNA is is a blueprint for protein
You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.

I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making.


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Quote: from Infinite Inferno at 12:22 am on Oct. 20, 2008

Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage.  

 Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?  

 This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS


LMAO. Have you studied anything in cell biology? DNA replication is a very complex process, things don't just slide in place. There's chemical reactions, countless proteins, etc... .  

DNA is meant to be a self-replicating molecule, a wrist watch isn't.  

Big Bang Theory?  

"This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does."

Wait, this seems to go against itself. You say this isn't about religion (and I'm also assuming beliefs), yet you end with a statement involving this.


hey look the troll is arguing with himself yank vs moridin style

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Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from FingerSub at 10:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Well, you're both right and wrong.

  Yes, there was a creator.

  But it wasn't god.

  It was aliens.


o rly do you have any evidence what so ever? How did the aliens get there?

Spaceship. How else?


fucking brilliant dude idk why I couldn't see it before.

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Oh holy flying fuck you're dumb.

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Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

All DNA is is a blueprint for protein
You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.

I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making.


It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result.

You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible.

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

All DNA is is a blueprint for protein
You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.  

 I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making.


It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result.

You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible.

FP


Very simple question how did they get there? Did they just appear out of thin air, or did the randomly occurring big bang out of nothing create them?

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Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

And it's very possible.
How about you take another cock up your asshole you worthless faggot because you're better off doing that than shitting bullshit on my topic. You can't back up shit. And yes, it is random you stupid bitch.

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