Now, the point of this thread is to not shoot down creationism. Stay on topic. Do you have the answers or strong opinions to these problems about evolution?

And yes, we don't really have the answers for creationism. But thats a whole other topic.

But before I get to the questions/statement, anyone ever read Michael Behe's "Darwin's Black Box?"

Michael Behe's "Darwin's Black Box"

1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.

2) How could living creatures come from non-life?

3) How could new genetic information arise?

4) Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Now, these questions/statement came from a site.

Furthermore, evolutionism is being criticized by the scientific community as time goes on. So whats the deal?

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Post edited at 9:04 am on Oct. 19, 2008 by HeartofJuyoMk2

2) How could living creatures come from non-life?
This is stupid. At least it's phrased idiotically. It makes it sound like a fish grew from a rock, it's not like that at all. Billions of years ago the conditions were right, (though we don't exactly know how), current scientists believe small proteins were formed and from this eventually single celled organisms were formed. These developed and evolved, as well as separating and forming different organisms that evolved separately giving rise to new species, and so on and so forth.

3) How could new genetic information arise?
Anyone with a basic Biology understanding could easily answer this. Mutations introduce new genetic material, independent assortment, etc. There are plenty of ways, and I won't bother to go into detail because anyone that cares can do it themselves.

4) Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?
They didn't, anyone that argues this point is an idiot. We share a common ancestor, the proof is in our DNA being genetically similar to theirs by something like 80%. Do a genetic fingerprint on it and see for yourself.

What exactly is the 'problem' with evolution? I really fail to see who these 'scientists' are that challenge evolution more and more. That's new to me. If you think any of the questions you posed are strong arguments, or arguments at all, you need to read some better materials, or perhaps by authors that actually know what they hell they are talking about rather than some self-absorbed moron.

Post edited at 9:12 am on Oct. 19, 2008 by marshmellowman

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1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.
What's even the point of this statement, it bears no relevance. Evolution isn't about, and has never been concerned with, where life started from, just how the creatures developed from primitive organisms to more advanced ones, as well as generally how they adapt to a change in their surroundings.

2) How could living creatures come from non-life?
This is stupid. At least it's phrased idiotically. It makes it sound like a fish grew from a rock, it's not like that at all. Billions of years ago the conditions were right, (though we don't exactly know how), current scientists believe small proteins were formed and from this eventually single celled organisms were formed. These developed and evolved, as well as separating and forming different organisms that evolved separately giving rise to new species, and so on and so forth.

3) How could new genetic information arise?
Anyone with a basic Biology understanding could easily answer this. Mutations introduce new genetic material, independent assortment, etc. There are plenty of ways, and I won't bother to go into detail because anyone that cares can do it themselves.

4) Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?
They didn't, anyone that argues this point is an idiot. We share a common ancestor, the proof is in our DNA being genetically similar to theirs by something like 80%. Do a genetic fingerprint on it and see for yourself.

 
What exactly is the 'problem' with evolution? I really fail to see who these 'scientists' are that challenge evolution more and more. That's new to me. If you think any of the questions you posed are strong arguments, or arguments at all, you need to read some better materials, or perhaps by authors that actually know what they hell they are talking about rather than some self-absorbed moron.

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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
Again, I say it is very compelling. It's a great explanation of the possiblities.

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1. Evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe.

2. Thebirth of life came from chemical reactions in the sea. (It had something to do with electricity)

3. Mutations make new genetics. There are many 'mutations' in human genes - that is why asian, south american, european, etc. people look so different. Secondly evolution is spontaneous. Cauliflower is a mutated cabbage that is only kept alive by humans - the flowers dont open to be pollinated.

4. The proof is in DNA. And for the record humans didnt come from apes. We share a common ancestor many miliions of years ago, and apes are a completely different line to us.

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1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.

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Anybody who thinks this is a valid question honestly should not be voicing opinions about evolution. Ever. Especially in an "intellectual" forum.

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1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.

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Anybody who thinks this is a valid question honestly should not be voicing opinions about evolution. Ever. Especially in an "intellectual" forum.

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It wasn't my opinon. I just got the question from another site looking for opinons.  

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Actually guys, humans ARE apes... I don't think any of you know what you're talking about, especially OP.

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Humans may be apes, but not like the original website meant (as in gorillas and chimpanzees). An excerpt for the term ape: " In less scientific language, it has various meanings, although it often (but not always) excludes humans."

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What you meant is that humans and MONKEYS share a common ancestor.

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Evolution is not, and was never, a theory of the birth of the universe/

2) How could living creatures come from non-life?

The most plausible theory is that it formed from the forging of proteins (which are compounds like any other) within protective clay shells deep within the oceans at ideal temperatures for the catalyst for reaction to form.

3) How could new genetic information arise?

Mutation. Born of the uncertainty principle, or perhaps more realisticly from outside sources tainting the division of cells.

4) Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Humans are apes. But if you mean, from bonobos or chimpanzees or whatever it is we share common ancestry with, the proof is in archaeology/palaeontology, and the countless numbers of remains showing different stages of evolution.

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1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.

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 Anybody who thinks this is a valid question honestly should not be voicing opinions about evolution. Ever. Especially in an "intellectual" forum.

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It wasn't my opinon. I just got the question from another site looking for opinons.  

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Here's something, then. Most people, on thinking they have found a way to question evolution, are actually questioning the validity of the science education they were given.

You gave the ignorance-fueled questions some illusion of validity when you referred to "problems" of evolution. People not knowing that abiogenesis is distinct from evolution isn't evolution's problem. People not understanding the idea behind protobionts isn't a problem in evolution. People not knowing how mutations work isn't a problem in evolution.

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 3:55 pm on Oct. 19, 2008

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1) Evolution does not say how the universe came about.

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  Anybody who thinks this is a valid question honestly should not be voicing opinions about evolution. Ever. Especially in an "intellectual" forum.

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 It wasn't my opinon. I just got the question from another site looking for opinons.

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Here's something, then. Most people, on thinking they have found a way to question evolution, are actually questioning the validity of the science education they were given.

You gave the ignorance-fueled questions some illusion of validity when you referred to "problems" of evolution. People not knowing that abiogenesis is distinct from evolution isn't evolution's problem. People not understanding the idea behind protobionts isn't a problem in evolution. People not knowing how mutations work isn't a problem in evolution.

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i think we've gone off topic now. We've established 3 times that evolution has nothing to do with the formation of the universe.

This is an interesting topic, lets not see it de-railed.

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4) Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Humans are apes.

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Apes have nothing to do with humans. They shared a common ancestor with us and split in their own direction.

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