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Replies: 20Last Post Oct. 27, 2008 6:10pm by TRUCUBANDYME305
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just do it, so you have not wasted 3 years

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 6:06 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from osmoticdespair at 11:53 am on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:20 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

as it's not causing you any real harm.
Technically if he is confirmed and not in a state of grace (pretty sure this is true for anglicans and catholics, don't know what the others say) then he is committing sacrilege, which at worst is very harmful and at best is disrespectful.

Which means what to him if he doesn't actually believe it?


1) Doesn't matter if he believes it or not, its still not a good thing to do (or risk doing).
2) Note I said "at best disrespectful".

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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 2:54 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

1) Doesn't matter if he believes it or not, its still not a good thing to do (or risk doing).
2) Note I said "at best disrespectful".

Thing is, that's not going to hold up in a court of law, which is what I was getting at...if your parents are harming you in a way that most courts would find reprehensible, you've got an argument against doing what they're asking you to do. If they're asking you to take a religious step that you don't necessarily believe in but is not otherwise physically or mentally harmful, the courts will laugh if you try to bring it up.

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Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 7:57 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from osmoticdespair at 2:54 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

1) Doesn't matter if he believes it or not, its still not a good thing to do (or risk doing).  
 2) Note I said "at best disrespectful".

Thing is, that's not going to hold up in a court of law, which is what I was getting at...if your parents are harming you in a way that most courts would find reprehensible, you've got an argument against doing what they're asking you to do. If they're asking you to take a religious step that you don't necessarily believe in but is not otherwise physically or mentally harmful, the courts will laugh if you try to bring it up.


I'm pretty sure this is not the kind of situation that would ever be involved in a court of law.
Think of it this way, if he stated to the church that he didn't believe, his parents were forcing him to come and that in order to avoid degrading the sacrament he kindly requests that he may be prevented from having it, I think most would probably accept that, and I am pretty sure that in a court of law just because his parent's wanted him confirmed and he refused to participate in that the courts would not be able to force him - although within the bounds of the law he would of course be subject to whatever penalty his parents deemed fit, in that sure they can do what they want, but they can't force him to behave as though he believes in something he doesn't even if its within their rights to punish him (although not necessarily a wise thing to do) for not believing it.

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If that's the way he wants to approach it, sure, it's a better step than just doing it to keep the peace; generally speaking, though, someone with the handle "hornydude1992" isn't looking for a mature, calm and rational way out. Besides which, his parents absolutely can force him to go through with confirmation, as he is a minor. If they don't accept that he doesn't want to "undermine the sacredness" or something along those lines (any parent who would buy that line, btw, is out of their fool mind), throwing a tantrum about it or doing anything else will only make the situation worse. Better to just get it over with.

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Just don't do it.
Tell them that confermation should be done only if you want to and if you feel it and theres no point in doing it because you don't feel it in your heart.

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