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Lol my English Teacher hates me.
Replies: 50Last Post Oct. 27, 2008 5:19pm by obvious child
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Quote: from Doghouse at 12:00 am on Oct. 23, 2008

Robots may cause violence. Robots don't have emotions.

The end.



No they can't, unless programmed to do so, in which the intent lays with the programmer.

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 9:56 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Quote: from pumpkin475 at 11:36 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Quote: from TheLastMagister at 9:15 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Again, I don't view violence as a negative thing, it's a consequences, just like everything else, cause and effect. Just for some reason if you tell that to someone who is anti-war you will get a dirty look.
if u dont think it's negative, why make an argument on it with you're teacher? if you simply think it's a consequence, why go through the trouble of trying to make your teacher agree with you on something that you both actually agree on after all? if you're not against the violence that emotion brings, why try to turn the statement at hand around?


Because she was using love in the context of it being a "solve-all solution"

ok i see. u did not mention that in your original post.

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 10:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Quote: from Doghouse at 12:00 am on Oct. 23, 2008

Robots may cause violence. Robots don't have emotions.  

 The end.



No they can't, unless programmed to do so, in which the intent lays with the programmer.

Yes they can. Programs =/= emotions.

I beat your argument. Not all violence is caused by emotion.

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Quote: from Doghouse at 12:34 am on Oct. 23, 2008

Quote: from TheLastMagister at 10:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Quote: from Doghouse at 12:00 am on Oct. 23, 2008

Robots may cause violence. Robots don't have emotions.

  The end.


 
 No they can't, unless programmed to do so, in which the intent lays with the programmer.

Yes they can. Programs =/= emotions.

I beat your argument. Not all violence is caused by emotion.



No, you didn't, because I said indirect, and that would be an example of indirect. Nice try though.

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All human action can be said to be governed by emotion though, so I do not see the significance in that statement.

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Your presumption is essentially worthless, it's an air headed statement.

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Wait, wait, wait, a statement that is completely accurate is worthless? Since when?

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Explain your reasoning by indirect? Indirect meaning "in all other cases where emotion isn't the direct cause, somehow somewhere emotion causes it."

I can conceive a scientist bored one day, and wanted to see if he could create a program where the robot will smash anything with an expiration date like cartons of milk. However, this robot calculates that humans have an expiration date and start smashing them.

I win.

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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 5:49 am on Oct. 23, 2008

Wait, wait, wait, a statement that is completely accurate is worthless? Since when?

It's airheaded because it's meaningless

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Quote: from californication at 8:57 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

Emotion is what causes every human action.
Also, I fucking hate that book/movie.

You are wrong that emotion causes every action. It is the driving force behind most actions.
reflexes, the subconsious mind, disease, instinct, desire can all lead to action and this is not emotion. Well desire can be argued as an emotion. But I refuted your statement. :)


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Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008

No they can't, unless programmed to do so, in which the intent lays with the programmer.

That would be true if programming was impossible to change either by accident or intention. Anyone who's own a piece for long enough knows that over time their system will start to behave strangely or that software conflicts between two independent packages causes really strange behavior.

Your school sucks. You keep making posts about how you "own" your teachers but your argument are piss. Therefore your teachers are idiots if they can't destroy your asinine attempts.

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Quote: from obvious child at 3:52 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008


 No they can't, unless programmed to do so, in which the intent lays with the programmer.

That would be true if programming was impossible to change either by accident or intention. Anyone who's own a piece for long enough knows that over time their system will start to behave strangely or that software conflicts between two independent packages causes really strange behavior.  

Your school sucks. You keep making posts about how you "own" your teachers but your argument are piss. Therefore your teachers are idiots if they can't destroy your asinine attempts.



Again, INTENTION, you used it yourself...and I am assinine? Also, give me an example where two independent packages could cause violence by accident.

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Way to change your argument. The base criticism against your claim was that non-emotion feeling being, such as robots could cause violence. You claimed that only if they were programmed to do so. The problem is your argument relies on the notion that programming can only be modified by being with emotions. That is factually incorrect as proven by myriads of software conflicts on millions of computers across the planet on a daily basis. We know that software, when put together or left to its own devices for sufficent periods of time act in ways not programmed. Therefore your assumption requiring programming is bunk and you are wrong.

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Quote: from obvious child at 10:05 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Way to change your argument. The base criticism against your claim was that non-emotion feeling being, such as robots could cause violence. You claimed that only if they were programmed to do so. The problem is your argument relies on the notion that programming can only be modified by being with emotions. That is factually incorrect as proven by myriads of software conflicts on millions of computers across the planet on a daily basis. We know that software, when put together or left to its own devices for sufficent periods of time act in ways not programmed. Therefore your assumption requiring programming is bunk and you are wrong.

I'm demanding specific examples and proof or calling BS, with violent applications.

Post edited at 8:27 pm on Oct. 24, 2008 by The Last Magister

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how does stuff like this wind up in he religion section is what I want to know.

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