I find that insulting, since professional psychiatrists are actually trying to help me through it and some kid is telling me basically to get over it.
Thoughts? I'm particularly interested in those of you who are currently dealing with or have dealt with mental illness
extremely complex emotional systems happen because of the world we live in and likely will get more complex as times go on as the world becomes more complex
were not evolved for nearly as much as we become to be, but we have a high malleability compared to other creatures
and about autism i meant the people who just say "oh its genetic" without thinking, thats equally shitty to 'refrigerator mothers'
yeah they traded one oversimplified definition for another. however, mechanism of autism is up in the air as opposed to 'mental health conditions' because there is actually reason to believe in some kind of developmental sluggishness because it happens from a very young age. its still important to remember that correlation doesnt mean causation though, even in 'genetics', because the way autism comes about could easily be very, very complex
I understand that it isn't definite yet. But they most definitely did not trade an oversimplified version for another. It used to be blamed on "refridgerator mothers" and now it is accredited to a large number of factors, many of which you mentioned. If anything, it has just gotten much more vague.
no its just that those are typically 'scientific definitions' whereas what youre talking about is a colloqual definition and really just means 'problem', which should be used instead especially in some abused field like psychiatry which tries to act like real medicine
Have I mentioned how much I dislike the repetitive debate over pure semantics?
there is no real evidence otherwise except for indirect correlations that relate to arbitrary labels (which isnt really valid 'evidence'). given that people usually assume that someone has reasons for feeling the way they do as long as its within their comprehension zone and can see some of those reasons, it seems more to point to the fact that people are stupid and lack empathy than that people who are depressed have biological flaws
This is the real question at hand.
As I've said before, I do disagree with the premature labeling of every single person who walks in seeking mental health attention. I think that simply labeling someone as "depressed" when you have not investigated what exactly about their behavior is debilitating and problematic is dangerous. Once people start believing in that label, they convince themself that they ARE "diseased" (or whatever synonym you prefer) and it impedes their recovery.
imo, focus should be placed on addressing the actual problems first (confronting stressors, looking at repetitive negative thinking, etc), and then if need be, a formal diagnosis can be applied.
In terms of biology, I still maintain that we have no definitive evidence either way, and thus the possibility that chemical imbalance does in fact cause depression/whatever can not be ruled out.
As you said, correlation does not prove causation, however the lack of definitive proof also does not disprove causation.
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:16 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:10 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you. there is a way out but its probably darker than you could imagine i dont mean suicide Whatever this solution is, I do believe you need to seek professional help now. This comes from someone who suffers from mental illness. You don't wait, you seek help. I cannot reiterate enough times, seek help. Even if you don't believe in it, help is important.
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:10 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you. there is a way out but its probably darker than you could imagine i dont mean suicide
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:07 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you.
in the long run it usually leads to false hope and diving further downward, seek help from friends if theyll give it, but therapists are usually only good for venting unless you know how to use them
There isn't much more I can say. I can only repeat this: there is always hope. Not false hope, true hope. There is always a way out of the dark, and always a light to lead you.
i dont mean suicide
Whatever this solution is, I do believe you need to seek professional help now. This comes from someone who suffers from mental illness. You don't wait, you seek help. I cannot reiterate enough times, seek help. Even if you don't believe in it, help is important.
and i did go through a lot of therapy when i was depressed back way back when, but the only thing that could help me was myself
Yes, but why on earth would be stick to norms put in place a long time ago when the health field wasn't fully developed?
Autism used to be blamed on poor parenting. New views on mental health have proven to be quite beneficial in several areas.
And yet it remains that not one of those definitions negate the validity of the one I provided. No single one has to be all-inclusive.
"Is depression the result of purely cognitive debilitation, or is there something else going on?"
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:02 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go. its often better than treated And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues? ideally getting 'help' would be better but if the help sucks its often better to just suffer than suffer more Sadly, that is not true. Treatment can be hit and miss. I realize it's not an exact science, however, it is vital that people seek and receive help if they can. Suffering is not the answer and doing nothing will solve nothing. If you cannot help yourself then it's up to your friends and loved ones to do their best, to reach out to you. Some situations may seem impossible, but there is always a way to escape. There is always hope.
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 7:01 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go. its often better than treated And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues? ideally getting 'help' would be better but if the help sucks its often better to just suffer than suffer more
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:58 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go. its often better than treated And what information are you drawing from? Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues?
Quote: from Fancy Fantasia at 6:57 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go. its often better than treated
Quote: from prisoner of hss at 3:56 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go.
Quote: from anc8469 at 6:53 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases. treated depression can lead to suicide
Untreated depression can lead to suicide in some cases.
True, but untreated is most certainly not the way to go.
And what information are you drawing from?
Untreated means no treatment. No sessions with a psychologist, no medications, prescription or otherwise, etc. It means ignoring the problem while it steadily grows worse. How is that better than attempting to help resolve the issues?
Sadly, that is not true. Treatment can be hit and miss. I realize it's not an exact science, however, it is vital that people seek and receive help if they can. Suffering is not the answer and doing nothing will solve nothing. If you cannot help yourself then it's up to your friends and loved ones to do their best, to reach out to you.
Some situations may seem impossible, but there is always a way to escape. There is always hope.
generally considered by pretty much everyone and most of the legitimate medical field. disease has historically applied to physical problems, not emotional problems, but has been twisted into modern 'mental health'
disease has historically applied to physical problems, not emotional problems, but has been twisted into modern 'mental health'
Yes, but why on earth would be stick to norms put in place a long time ago when the health field wasn't fully developed? Autism used to be blamed on poor parenting. New views on mental health have proven to be quite beneficial in several areas.
here are some more definitions: an unhealthy condition in a person, animal, or plant which is caused by bacteria or infection impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism overall, 'disease' refers to a malfunctioning physical part as the cause of the problem, not simply an effect of an emotional change, in which case a changed 'brain' is normal and reflects the person's psychological environment accurately
impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism
overall, 'disease' refers to a malfunctioning physical part as the cause of the problem, not simply an effect of an emotional change, in which case a changed 'brain' is normal and reflects the person's psychological environment accurately
This is just semantics here, I feel like the disease v. disorder argument is a little of base of the real question anyways.
im not referring to the colloquial definition, im referring to the scientific definition, in the colloquial definition, disease is simply something really bad, like a "disease of society"
Again....semantics. You can argue which definition holds more weight until the end of time and you're still left with the real question, which is "Is depression the result of purely cognitive debilitation, or is there something else going on?"
Sadly, that is not true. Treatment can be hit and miss. I realize it's not an exact science, however, it is vital that people seek and receive help if they can. Suffering is not the answer and doing nothing will solve nothing. If you cannot help yourself then it's up to your friends and loved ones to do their best to reach out to you.
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