Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Depression is fake Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post sicosys Posted at 4:57 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Its a made up "sickness" to describe someone who is sad, and almost by labeling them as depressed, makes them more depressed? Maybe not the right way to look at it, but to me its just someone going through a hard time, unable to see the light at the end of the tunnel. And depression pills what are they made of? Just a lot of serotonin to make you happy or wut?

Replies ansdr Posted at 7:49 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 But you can't scientifically prove it's fake. There have already been test the measure low serotonin levels in the brain of people who are depressed. So until you can prove that depression is fake by taking people who are depressed and testing them your statement is scientifically and politically irrelevant. S0LITUDE Posted at 7:40 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 It's not fake. It's a state of mind. iconoclast Posted at 7:33 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Lack of meaning and materialism seem to be more rampant though, which would make it more likely for someone to be depressed. cum funnel Posted at 7:30 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from theyareAs at 7:16 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 We did have the issues we have now thirty years back but more and more people are suffering from it. This means that the cause of most of these problems are enviromental. The world we live in today is shitty as fuck n get worse each day. Maybe that has something to do with it?!? But more than anything else, its real and many people suffer from it Environmental? More likely, just as many people suffered then as they do now, and we notice it more now because we do have medication to help treat the symptoms. And, of course, misdiagnosis is going to be more prevelant. theyareAs Posted at 7:16 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 We did have the issues we have now thirty years back but more and more people are suffering from it. This means that the cause of most of these problems are enviromental. The world we live in today is shitty as fuck n get worse each day. Maybe that has something to do with it?!? But more than anything else, its real and many people suffer from it iconoclast Posted at 6:00 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Just having a positive attitude and getting off your ass won't do anything, it's a lot more complicated than that. imatwirp Posted at 4:09 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 I somewhat agree with you.   I always looked about it this way. Thirty years ago, there was no depression, ADD, ADHD, or any other mental illnesses, and we got along just fine without them. But now, physicians are giving out drugs for anything and everything. However, taking into consideration, Some people (very few) But some people cannot help it. Bipolar disorder is real, I have seen it first hand, it is usually prone in older men. And these people along with people who take alot of medications are prone to depression. Drugs mess with the chemical balances in your head and this is what causes depression. But the real cure is just to have a positive attitude. The best thing to do when your feeling bad is to just get up off your butt, and do something fun/entertaining. odd Posted at 8:55 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are/were ignorant. i used to think the same thing, until i experienced it and realized it's a bit more than a "tough time." theyareAs Posted at 8:34 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Depression is perhaps the least understood mental illnesss, n yes it is an illness... iconoclast Posted at 5:20 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 8:19 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:12 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 It's different in that the causes are typically psychological/emotional responses to the environment whereas with a real medical illness, the cause is physical and there is an actual pathology. Medical maladies almost always have an external cause. The trauma leading to depression is comparable to the virus responsible for a cold. Emotional trouble doesn't have a pathology, it's the result of social variables. A virus is a physical infection. iconoclast Posted at 5:19 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:16 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:12 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:09 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from SAMMYJS99 at 8:06 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:04 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:02 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.         No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake. Yeah.           The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.         Is the latter not a form of the former?  NOW, i am really confused.     XD     The guy I was responding to said that it's not a "legitimate medical diagnosis" but referred to it as a mental disorder...and I was just wondering how the latter (mental disorders) differs from the former (medical disorders)? Because the mind is a part of the body and it can get "sick" just like any other part like your liver or heart or kidneys and needs treated. At least that's how it was put to me anyways.     I mean...if a mental disorder isn't a medical disorder, what is it? It's kind of hard to explain...like...how is it an entirely different beast? It's different in that the causes are typically psychological/emotional responses to the environment whereas with a real medical illness, the cause is physical and there is an actual pathology. There might be changes in the brain with someone with a mental disorder, but again, effect not cause. Important to state that, because a lot of people misinterpret correlation to mean causation. I'd describe 'mental disorders' as extreme emotional problems which have been stigmatized as medical because they're difficult to deal with.   Ah, yeah, you're right. I know I became depressed in response to my environment but aren't some disorders genetic? So wouldn't that give it weight as a medical disorder? The research is shoddy at best (I don't want to get into that), but even if they do find genetic correlations, it's meaningless, because the disorders are just patterns of behavior. We don't even understand how things like serotonin tie into basic personality, for example. So, it could just be that more introverted people are more likely to be depressed given negative circumstances, which would make a lot of sense. I'll add that since depression is often a complex set of emotions; given the way genetics works, direct impact is highly unlikely. Indirect influence from genetics is likely on basic personality and mental disorders, but is meaningless in terms of treatment. All you get is "people with different basic personalities react differently to the same stress". Sure, some people will react worse overall if they tend to have an intense personality, but there are upsides and downsides to everything, you know? Parsine Posted at 5:19 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:12 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 It's different in that the causes are typically psychological/emotional responses to the environment whereas with a real medical illness, the cause is physical and there is an actual pathology. Medical maladies almost always have an external cause. The trauma leading to depression is comparable to the virus responsible for a cold. Majo Posted at 5:16 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:12 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:09 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from SAMMYJS99 at 8:06 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:04 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:02 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.        No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake. Yeah.         The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.       Is the latter not a form of the former?   NOW, i am really confused.    XD    The guy I was responding to said that it's not a "legitimate medical diagnosis" but referred to it as a mental disorder...and I was just wondering how the latter (mental disorders) differs from the former (medical disorders)? Because the mind is a part of the body and it can get "sick" just like any other part like your liver or heart or kidneys and needs treated. At least that's how it was put to me anyways.    I mean...if a mental disorder isn't a medical disorder, what is it? It's kind of hard to explain...like...how is it an entirely different beast? It's different in that the causes are typically psychological/emotional responses to the environment whereas with a real medical illness, the cause is physical and there is an actual pathology. There might be changes in the brain with someone with a mental disorder, but again, effect not cause. Important to state that, because a lot of people misinterpret correlation to mean causation. I'd describe 'mental disorders' as extreme emotional problems which have been stigmatized as medical because they're difficult to deal with. Ah, yeah, you're right. I know I became depressed in response to my environment but aren't some disorders genetic? So wouldn't that give it weight as a medical disorder? iconoclast Posted at 5:14 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 8:10 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 I don't understand why prisoner of hss finds it implausible that the brain could have a problem that leads it to synthesize inadequete levels of serotonin, etc. Because you don't realize that blatant dropping of chemicals, would have much more blatant, widespread effects, instead of nuanced effects. In the case of 'inadaquate chemical synthezation', you'd most likely see a marked difference in people from a younger age. Almost everyone I've met with depression, which is a lot of people, have had good reasons behind feeling the way they do. Yet they're just slapped with the 'chemical imbalance' label because people don't know what else to do. I'm sure it's possible, but it'd be very different than what you see in typical 'depression'. And, given that there's no evidence of causation, it doesn't seem like the right route to go. iconoclast Posted at 5:12 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:09 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from SAMMYJS99 at 8:06 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Majo at 8:04 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:02 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:01 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 The DSM-IV criteria has been heavily criticised as to whether or not such conditions really exist and the psychological factor in itself. I don't doubt people can feel extremely sad or 'depressed' but if it merits a medical diagnosis is the point here.     No, the pills don't contain serotonin, but instead help to increase serotonin concentration by preventing its reuptake. Yeah.   The condition is 'fake' in that it doesn't exist as a legitimate medical diagnosis, but it's very real as an emotional problem, as are all mental disorders.   Is the latter not a form of the former?    NOW, i am really confused. XD The guy I was responding to said that it's not a "legitimate medical diagnosis" but referred to it as a mental disorder...and I was just wondering how the latter (mental disorders) differs from the former (medical disorders)? Because the mind is a part of the body and it can get "sick" just like any other part like your liver or heart or kidneys and needs treated. At least that's how it was put to me anyways. I mean...if a mental disorder isn't a medical disorder, what is it? It's kind of hard to explain...like...how is it an entirely different beast? It's different in that the causes are typically psychological/emotional responses to the environment whereas with a real medical illness, the cause is physical and there is an actual pathology. There might be changes in the brain with someone with a mental disorder, but again, effect not cause. Important to state that, because a lot of people misinterpret correlation to mean causation. I'd describe 'mental disorders' as extreme emotional problems which have been stigmatized as medical because they're difficult to deal with. Most recent 15 of 44 previous replies displayed.