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goodheart4ever Posted at 7:49 am on Aug. 15, 2008

A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a US missile defense battery exposes the country to attack, pointing out that Russian military doctrine permits the use of nuclear weapons in such a situation, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile defense battery as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations but that Moscow claims is aimed at weakening Russia.

"Poland, by deploying [the system] is exposing itself to a strike - 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

Interfax said he added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn said that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, according to Interfax.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

Tensions between Russia and the West have soared over the brutal fighting that erupted last week between Russian and Georgian forces over the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia.

Russian forces went deep into Georgia in the fighting, raising wide concerns that Russia could be seeking to occupy parts of its small, pro-US neighbor, which has vigorously lobbied to join NATO, or even to force its government to collapse.

Under the agreement that Warsaw and Washington reached Thursday, Poland will accept an American missile interceptor base.

"We have crossed the Rubicon," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said, referring to US consent to Poland's demands after more than 18 months of negotiations.

Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the US and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed "rogue states" like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force and warns it will worsen tensions.

In an interview on Poland's news channel TVN24, Tusk said the United States agreed to help augment Poland's defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.

He said the deal also includes a "mutual commitment" between the two nations to come to each other's assistance "in case of trouble."

That clause appeared to be a direct reference to Russia.

Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia's offensive in Georgia. In past days, Polish leaders said that fighting justified Poland's demands that it get additional security guarantees from Washington in exchange for allowing the anti-missile base on its soil.


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Cumulonimbus Posted at 2:22 pm on Aug. 18, 2008
If this isn't some stupid move to show-up the Russians and protect us from Iran, then why not just put it in Greece or Turkey or Germany?  How is that shield protecting our allies on the other side of the shield?  It's not.  Iran can still nuke Israel, and that probably would be their first target., anyway.

What help would this shield be against a nuke in a briefcase in the London metro?  What nukes would we stop if Russian subs went around the shield and launched them from the Atlantic?  What about the US troops and bases on the other side?  They just die?

Elm Posted at 11:39 am on Aug. 16, 2008
Quote: from boothy at 7:53 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Good, the US are being far too fucking arrogant. Bloody building missile defence systems in other countries, I'd like to see the US give up their soil - the US cares for nobody but itself, where are your troops? In Georgia? No. Yet Georgia has suffered for many reasons, one because Russia dislikes it's alliance with the US...

what fucking alliance?


If Poland agrees to it what business is it of yours or Russia?

It is a defensive missile system, Russia only has cause for concern if it plans a missile strike.

goodheart4ever Posted at 9:15 am on Aug. 15, 2008

why? why the fucki is it bad to help ur allies?

How they will help their allies by putting ten interceptor missiles? Russians can fire hundred of missiles at Europe and Iran can fire dozens of missiles at Europe if they continute to develop their missiles ranges.

Iranians don't possess missiles that reach Europe and they don't have a problem with Europeans at all.

What I think russians are afraid of is that those ten missiles will double and triple like the strength of the NATO which started small and turned too big.

If U.S is afraid and loves to help Europeans, why don't they give them Patriot batteries without american army controlling it and operating it??


churnfulkiler Posted at 9:01 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from mikeyp123 at 9:01 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 5:00 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:58 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from goodheart4ever at 4:57 pm on Aug. 15, 2008


do you think that the current system will defend the uk from russia AND iran
   

   Depends on what country and btw Iran doesn't want to have conflicts with European countries, their problem is only with Israel precisely and generally with Americans whenever they involve.


 

  And we all know america will come rushing to assist Israel. But thats a whole other kettle of fish.


now u have a problem with america helping its allies?

Yes. Yes I do.


why? why the fucki is it bad to help ur allies?
mikeyp123 Posted at 9:01 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from churnfulkiler at 5:00 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:58 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from goodheart4ever at 4:57 pm on Aug. 15, 2008


do you think that the current system will defend the uk from russia AND iran

  Depends on what country and btw Iran doesn't want to have conflicts with European countries, their problem is only with Israel precisely and generally with Americans whenever they involve.


 

 And we all know america will come rushing to assist Israel. But thats a whole other kettle of fish.


now u have a problem with america helping its allies?

Yes. Yes I do.

churnfulkiler Posted at 9:00 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:58 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from goodheart4ever at 4:57 pm on Aug. 15, 2008


do you think that the current system will defend the uk from russia AND iran
 

 Depends on what country and btw Iran doesn't want to have conflicts with European countries, their problem is only with Israel precisely and generally with Americans whenever they involve.


And we all know america will come rushing to assist Israel. But thats a whole other kettle of fish.


now u have a problem with america helping its allies?
mikeyp123 Posted at 8:58 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from goodheart4ever at 4:57 pm on Aug. 15, 2008


do you think that the current system will defend the uk from russia AND iran

Depends on what country and btw Iran doesn't want to have conflicts with European countries, their problem is only with Israel precisely and generally with Americans whenever they involve.


And we all know america will come rushing to assist Israel. But thats a whole other kettle of fish.

churnfulkiler Posted at 8:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:55 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:54 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:51 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:50 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

russia is gun-ho. they invaded georiga for no reason. a DEFENSE system is not a threat.
 

  The same can be said for Iraq, or at least on false pretenses.


this isant about iraq and it wasnt only the usa's intellegence agency that thought iraq had WMD's

Nope it wasn't just the US admittedly. But to call a state gun-ho when both the UK and USA are equally as guilty is silly.


the usa and the uk didnt invade a country without a just cause
goodheart4ever Posted at 8:57 am on Aug. 15, 2008

do you think that the current system will defend the uk from russia AND iran

Depends on what country and btw Iran doesn't want to have conflicts with European countries, their problem is only with Israel precisely and generally with Americans whenever they involve.

mikeyp123 Posted at 8:55 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:54 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:51 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:50 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

russia is gun-ho. they invaded georiga for no reason. a DEFENSE system is not a threat.
 

 The same can be said for Iraq, or at least on false pretenses.


this isant about iraq and it wasnt only the usa's intellegence agency that thought iraq had WMD's

Nope it wasn't just the US admittedly. But to call a state gun-ho when both the UK and USA are equally as guilty is silly.

churnfulkiler Posted at 8:54 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from mikeyp123 at 8:51 am on Aug. 15, 2008

Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:50 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

russia is gun-ho. they invaded georiga for no reason. a DEFENSE system is not a threat.

The same can be said for Iraq, or at least on false pretenses.


this isant about iraq and it wasnt only the usa's intellegence agency that thought iraq had WMD's
mikeyp123 Posted at 8:51 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:50 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

russia is gun-ho. they invaded georiga for no reason. a DEFENSE system is not a threat.

The same can be said for Iraq, or at least on false pretenses.

churnfulkiler Posted at 8:50 am on Aug. 15, 2008
russia is gun-ho. they invaded georiga for no reason. a DEFENSE system is not a threat.
mikeyp123 Posted at 8:49 am on Aug. 15, 2008
Quote: from churnfulkiler at 4:48 pm on Aug. 15, 2008

its not a threat.

They obviously think so, otherwise a leading official wouldn't have just threatened to invade poland.

churnfulkiler Posted at 8:48 am on Aug. 15, 2008
its not a threat.
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