It's not that death really bothers me; I would like to get into mortuary science and have been an assistant at a funeral home. I'm in college now. He shot himself because he was in poor health from drinking and smoking his whole life. He didn't look healthy either, like he had cancer. I'm not using this as the only reason why I don't drink. I run track at the college level. Drinking isn't healthy and fat slows you down. I have no desire to be a drunken fool. Because I don't drink, college society tends to call me an outcast. I've also known about a dozen people either killed or been killed in alcohol incidents.
I know many people choose not to drink. It's just not many people have been in this situation as seeing a human being actually dying. When I think about drunks, I think about this incident. I'm not obsessed about it, it's just a connection I make. Just because I choose not to drink, I still hang out with friends that drink. I'm often their designated driver and keep them from getting themselves in too much trouble. Has this incident shaped my beliefs and response to drinking?
I live in a not so great area, there is gang violence and shootings. im not poor or anything,but its not far from my house, i have friends who also live in bad areas and have seen terrile things and know people who havent even made it to 9 years old, death is all around us, and just because some guy decided to off himself for unknown reasons doesnt mean im not gonna drink. That may sound cold and if it does im sorry but sick of hearing this crap and being preached to.
fact is people do stupid things and make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes kill them.
Quote: from Kokasion at 1:00 am on April 24, 2008 Quote: from JeremyM So in other words, you did not witness the actual happenings of the suicide. You witnessed the aftermath. I'd call her to the stand. Hearing constitutes as witnessing. However, you automatically assume you're viewed as an outcast because you don't drink. That's called being sheltered and having insecurities about yourself. I'd say she has more insecurities about society, Dr. Phil. It was a naive question, but I don't understand how someone can be so argumentative. Obviously, if you think about the outcome for the man when the subject of drinking or smoking comes up, the experience has changed you. Every experience changes you. What you're doing right now, reading my reply, probably isn't changing any decisions you'll make in the future. It's safe to assume that you will continue sitting here for at least another 5 minutes clicking on the fresh topics that seem interesting enough that don't involve stupid Love questiong. Unless you took slight offense to my previous paragraph and got up to get a drink so you could prove me wrong, then it changed your decision. HAHA! NOOB! Fail. Some of those are supposed to be in Quotations.
Quote: from JeremyM So in other words, you did not witness the actual happenings of the suicide. You witnessed the aftermath. I'd call her to the stand. Hearing constitutes as witnessing. However, you automatically assume you're viewed as an outcast because you don't drink. That's called being sheltered and having insecurities about yourself. I'd say she has more insecurities about society, Dr. Phil. It was a naive question, but I don't understand how someone can be so argumentative. Obviously, if you think about the outcome for the man when the subject of drinking or smoking comes up, the experience has changed you. Every experience changes you. What you're doing right now, reading my reply, probably isn't changing any decisions you'll make in the future. It's safe to assume that you will continue sitting here for at least another 5 minutes clicking on the fresh topics that seem interesting enough that don't involve stupid Love questiong. Unless you took slight offense to my previous paragraph and got up to get a drink so you could prove me wrong, then it changed your decision.
I'd call her to the stand. Hearing constitutes as witnessing.
However, you automatically assume you're viewed as an outcast because you don't drink. That's called being sheltered and having insecurities about yourself.
I'd say she has more insecurities about society, Dr. Phil. It was a naive question, but I don't understand how someone can be so argumentative.
Obviously, if you think about the outcome for the man when the subject of drinking or smoking comes up, the experience has changed you. Every experience changes you.
What you're doing right now, reading my reply, probably isn't changing any decisions you'll make in the future. It's safe to assume that you will continue sitting here for at least another 5 minutes clicking on the fresh topics that seem interesting enough that don't involve stupid Love questiong.
Unless you took slight offense to my previous paragraph and got up to get a drink so you could prove me wrong, then it changed your decision.
HAHA! NOOB! Fail.
Some of those are supposed to be in Quotations.
I was done with this thread days ago, dear.
How do you know what I've seen and what I haven't seen when I was 9 or at any other age? I apologize, I guess, for "twisting" your words but that was my first impression. Maybe to avoid that in the future, be more specific?
I apologize, I guess, for "twisting" your words but that was my first impression. Maybe to avoid that in the future, be more specific?
Well I think you would have stated something to the effect if you've seen something similar when you were younger. But you were unable so I assume you haven't. That's what I though, you've got nothing on that. Maybe you should read my post more carefully?
My post was not regarding that at all. I am sorry you "witnessed him end his own life." When you clearly state you heard a noise and ran around to the other side of the house to see what it was. So in other words, you did not witness the actual happenings of the suicide. You witnessed the aftermath. Anyways, my point was, you not drinking and claiming society, as a whole, views you as an outcast. Sure, people pass judgement - I agree there. However, you automatically assume you're viewed as an outcast because you don't drink. That's called being sheltered and having insecurities about yourself. Insecurities meaning, you don't drink so therefore you think everyone will view you as an outcast, or not want to hang out with you. I do have a right to tell you to get over yourself because from what I gathered from your original post, is that just because you viewed someone after committing suicide, you don't drink so you think that you're going to be viewed differently than others. In depth? Yes. But true? Yes.
Anyways, my point was, you not drinking and claiming society, as a whole, views you as an outcast. Sure, people pass judgement - I agree there. However, you automatically assume you're viewed as an outcast because you don't drink. That's called being sheltered and having insecurities about yourself.
Insecurities meaning, you don't drink so therefore you think everyone will view you as an outcast, or not want to hang out with you.
I do have a right to tell you to get over yourself because from what I gathered from your original post, is that just because you viewed someone after committing suicide, you don't drink so you think that you're going to be viewed differently than others.
In depth? Yes. But true? Yes.
You seem to be twisting my words. What is there to get over? You tell me what you mean by that since you keep saying it. It's not liking I'm dwelling on the fact "I'm an awkward, social recluse that noone wants to hang out with since I don't drink." That's what you're making it sound like. In fact, my original post doen't really have to do with the way other people see me; this was more on and innerpersonal thought than anything. That's why I was wondering if this incident has shaped my beliefs.
And even if I didn't see him actually shoot himself; I was a little kid looking at a grown man with a bullet hole in his head and blood flowing over the sidewalk. You couldn't even imagine that when you were 9 so once again you have no business telling me to get over it.
Because you don't drink the college society tends to view you as an outcast? Bullshit. I think it's YOU who views yourself as an outcast. Also, not everyone that drinks is a "drunken fool" - I hate how highschool girls give us drinkers a bad rep. Get over yourself and how you don't drink and just go be social. Only you can make yourself an "incast."
Bullshit.
I think it's YOU who views yourself as an outcast.
Also, not everyone that drinks is a "drunken fool" - I hate how highschool girls give us drinkers a bad rep.
Get over yourself and how you don't drink and just go be social. Only you can make yourself an "incast."
Um...yeah that's kind of societies' view...where have you been? Not everyone's a drunken fool, but a large percentage is. You have no business telling me to "get over myself" because I would highly douby you've ever witnessed in person a man actually end his own life.
I'd bet that I could take or leave it if I pleased.
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