Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic God cannot have exist if Auschwitz existed. Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post snowcone200 Posted at 8:35 am on Sep. 9, 2008 How do you feel when you hear that phrase? I heard it from a movie and it spoke volumes to me. I think I gave up on faith a while ago.

Replies Prince o palities Posted at 2:14 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 It reminds me that the Appeal to Emotion is a logical fallacy. dragonking Posted at 1:38 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from King kong at 11:37 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 4:37 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 God has allowed man to have free will, and that is what people have done with it. Evil acts in no way disprove God...    FP agreed I agree as well. exceedinglyrare Posted at 9:38 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from snowcone200 at 11:35 am on Sep. 9, 2008 How do you feel when you hear that phrase? I heard it from a movie and it spoke volumes to me. I think I gave up on faith a while ago.     I find it amusing, because the existence of a horrible place has nothing to do with the existence, or lack thereof, of any deity. jamesish Posted at 9:12 am on Sep. 9, 2008 God gave us free will.  Blame people for the evil that they do.  Not God. King Kong Posted at 9:12 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 5:03 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:56 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:50 am on Sep. 9, 2008 if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will    We would be nothing more than puppets. I don't think that'd feel the same.    Besides, God created us to worship and honour him. Those two things, along with faith in his existence, cannot arise if we don't have free will. Our entire existence would be null and void.    FP you would feel the same because its impossible to know whether you have free will or not # lok at it this way. if there was no free will. i'd all belive in god Khadgar Posted at 9:05 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:03 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:56 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:50 am on Sep. 9, 2008 if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will    We would be nothing more than puppets. I don't think that'd feel the same.    Besides, God created us to worship and honour him. Those two things, along with faith in his existence, cannot arise if we don't have free will. Our entire existence would be null and void.    FP you would feel the same because its impossible to know whether you have free will or not Exactly. One would surmise, "I can go to the store OR stay home. I must have free will." However, it's a catch 22. Whatever you do is what god made you do. Whatever you think is what god made you thought. T'is the illusion of free will, and there is no way to prove or disprove it. justin1990rm Posted at 9:03 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:56 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:50 am on Sep. 9, 2008 if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will We would be nothing more than puppets. I don't think that'd feel the same. Besides, God created us to worship and honour him. Those two things, along with faith in his existence, cannot arise if we don't have free will. Our entire existence would be null and void. FP you would feel the same because its impossible to know whether you have free will or not moonkin Posted at 9:00 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations FurryPanther Posted at 8:56 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:50 am on Sep. 9, 2008 if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will We would be nothing more than puppets. I don't think that'd feel the same. Besides, God created us to worship and honour him. Those two things, along with faith in his existence, cannot arise if we don't have free will. Our entire existence would be null and void. FP justin1990rm Posted at 8:55 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from King kong at 8:52 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 4:50 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:48 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:47 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:37 am on Sep. 9, 2008 God has allowed man to have free will, and that is what people have done with it. Evil acts in no way disprove God...    FP       i think god is an asshole though, he knew by giving free will he would be screwing alot of people over, and in  a way its his fault; we are like his naughty children   And he also know all the good that could come out of it.   There were two options: we have free will, and will occasionally abuse it, or we don't, and are the drones of God.   Quite frankly, God would be more of an asshole by forcing the latter.   FP    if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will but we'd stil be robots happy robots, then he could turn on our free will when we got to heaven? Khadgar Posted at 8:54 am on Sep. 9, 2008 I always turned on Free Will, otherwise my sims were boring after about 5 minutes. It was always more fun to watch them go bolting through the hallway to the kitchen to grab 8 bags of chips from the fridge and spend all that money on replenishing their hunger meter by only half when in the same amount of time they could have prepared a meal for the entire family and NOT littered the floor with garbage. Way more fun that way. King Kong Posted at 8:52 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 4:50 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:48 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:47 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:37 am on Sep. 9, 2008 God has allowed man to have free will, and that is what people have done with it. Evil acts in no way disprove God...       FP   i think god is an asshole though, he knew by giving free will he would be screwing alot of people over, and in a way its his fault; we are like his naughty children    And he also know all the good that could come out of it.    There were two options: we have free will, and will occasionally abuse it, or we don't, and are the drones of God.    Quite frankly, God would be more of an asshole by forcing the latter.    FP if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will but we'd stil be robots barnabas Posted at 8:51 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:40 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 9:40 am on Sep. 9, 2008 I always find it odd. It is not like Auschwitz was the first terrible thing to have happened. Agreed. Salem Witch Trials, anyone? FP or a million other atrocities that have existed since before the recorded history of man? So long as there are men there will be wars-Albert Einstein. Honestly I find this quote much more profound than the one in the OP justin1990rm Posted at 8:50 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:48 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 9:47 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:37 am on Sep. 9, 2008 God has allowed man to have free will, and that is what people have done with it. Evil acts in no way disprove God...   FP    i think god is an asshole though, he knew by giving free will he would be screwing alot of people over, and in  a way its his fault; we are like his naughty children And he also know all the good that could come out of it. There were two options: we have free will, and will occasionally abuse it, or we don't, and are the drones of God. Quite frankly, God would be more of an asshole by forcing the latter. FP if we had no free will, we wouldnt notice it, it would be "feel" the same as living with free will King Kong Posted at 8:49 am on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from justin1990rm at 4:47 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 8:37 am on Sep. 9, 2008 God has allowed man to have free will, and that is what people have done with it. Evil acts in no way disprove God...    FP i think god is an asshole though, he knew by giving free will he would be screwing alot of people over, and in a way its his fault; we are like his naughty children you'd rathe be a robot? Most recent 15 of 32 previous replies displayed.