Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Believers - Do you believe good athiests deserve heaven? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Sachacohen2 Posted at 6:48 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Should atheists who are good, and always have been but don't believe in God,  never prayed to him, be granted heaven when they die?  It's like they never did any goodness for God, so he is obliged to put them in heaven (besides people who were always devoted to him and prayed kinda thing...) Nothing personal. I'm just curious.

Replies Shaknbake Posted at 8:23 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 Quote: from Shogun villimax at 3:51 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 Only if they accept Jersus as they'r lord and savior So you're saying Christians deserve heaven? You understand the thread is asking about whether or not we deserve heaven, not whether or not we will get it? Shogun villimax Posted at 3:51 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 Only if they accept Jersus as they'r lord and savior gronk Posted at 12:35 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 Going to heaven isnt about being good. Its about being right with God (righteous) But the bible says "there is no one righteous, not even one" (romans 3:10) "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god" (Romans 3:23) So no one deserves to go to heaven. However Jesus dieing on the cross gives grace to those who accept him as Lord. Thus they can be right with God and have the gift of eternal life (heaven) mysticgohan Posted at 4:41 am on Oct. 27, 2008 Depends on who you ask. Some forms believe anyone who's good can get into Heaven, some say Purgatory or Limbo, and quite a few say Hell. You even have faiths where religion doesn't mean anything since where you're going in the after life is already decided. osmoticdespair Posted at 3:17 am on Oct. 27, 2008 Quote: from jschwa1986 at 6:32 pm on Oct. 26, 2008 I find some of this to be very hypocritical. Say there definitely is a Heaven and Hell (I'm not personally saying there is or isn't, but for the sake of argument let's say we now know for 100% sure there are both.) So if an Atheist lives a good life, helping people, not sinning, not committing crimes or causing problems... but happens to have been wrong and didn't believe in this religious stuff... they will still go to hell? If an atheist never sinned, that is never did anything opposed to God's will, perhaps he would end up in heaven, or at the very least not in Hell (recently I read an article about the ideas in the Orthodox Church about what happens to unbaptised babies - now since the Orthodox don't believe that Original Sin conferrs any personal punishment since it was not personally committed it's an especially interesting question for them - and it seems like the main answer was that an unbaptised baby having done no wrong would not be worthy of punishment but having neither taken part in the sacremental life of the Church is not able to participate in the beaific vision. Which sounds like limbo to me, except that limbo was actually part of hell). This is the problem I have with some religions. We preach that everyone should be cared for we preach that there is a duty to care for others and that it is good to do so... there is a subtle distinction... and treated equally Eh? What is meant here by "treated equally" and everyone is God's children. Everyone are God's creatures, only the baptised are God's adopted son's and daughters... Yet if they believe a little differently than us they must automatically be going to hell? Its not because someone believes differently, it's because without putting their faith in God and trying to be independent of God or assuming their independence they are forfiting their right to his aid and cutting themselves off from Him who sustains them. Doesn't that seem to be completely against God's word? If we are all brothers and sisters, how does this make sense? I and my brother get given food by my parents, if I said to my parent's "I don't need you guys I can fend for myself" and my brother didn't would it really be so shocking if they continued to feed him and stopped feeding me? It's the same argument I have for allowing gay marriage and things of that nature. I just don't see how people can reasonably say we're all God's children, we should all be treated equally both by God and by each other - and then say gays can't marry, Gay men can marry women, gay women can marry men, just like the rest of us, where is the discrimination? The Nowhere Man Posted at 12:12 am on Oct. 27, 2008 I don't believe in heaven per say (I believe in a single afterlife of sorts), but yes. Shaknbake Posted at 12:08 am on Oct. 27, 2008 Quote: from nerd4life at 10:27 am on Oct. 26, 2008 First off atheist don't even believe in heaven,  so even if they were good why should they deserve to go to heaven. So a man who didn't believe the Transafroasiannobel prize committee existed wouldn't deserve an award offered by them, simply because he did not accept the committee's existence? TRUCUBANDYME305 Posted at 4:32 pm on Oct. 26, 2008 I guess no. To go to heaven you have to believe in God.... Editor in Chief Posted at 11:32 am on Oct. 26, 2008 I find some of this to be very hypocritical. Say there definitely is a Heaven and Hell (I'm not personally saying there is or isn't, but for the sake of argument let's say we now know for 100% sure there are both.) So if an Atheist lives a good life, helping people, not sinning, not committing crimes or causing problems... but happens to have been wrong and didn't believe in this religious stuff... they will still go to hell? This is the problem I have with some religions. We preach that everyone should be cared for and treated equally and everyone is God's children. Yet if they believe a little differently than us they must automatically be going to hell? Doesn't that seem to be completely against God's word? If we are all brothers and sisters, how does this make sense? It's the same argument I have for allowing gay marriage and things of that nature. I just don't see how people can reasonably say we're all God's children, we should all be treated equally both by God and by each other - and then say gays can't marry, Atheists will go to hell, blacks should use different water fountains, Jews should die, whatever the current case may be. Religion has the potential to be a wonderful thing for many people. But then there are times where it seems to do nothing but cause ignorance and intolerance. osmoticdespair Posted at 10:39 am on Oct. 26, 2008 Quote: from girl19 at 1:54 am on Oct. 26, 2008 no one deserves heaven This. JohnTheNormalOne Posted at 10:32 am on Oct. 26, 2008 Quote: from greatescape11 at 2:50 am on Oct. 26, 2008 Every religious text and/or authority I've spoken with has answered "no" to this and that is the primary reason why I am no longer Christian. Along with one other thing The other thing is ...? exceedinglyrare Posted at 10:29 am on Oct. 26, 2008 It's not about what we deserve. nerd4life Posted at 10:27 am on Oct. 26, 2008 First off atheist don't even believe in heaven,  so even if they were good why should they deserve to go to heaven. CherryxBomb Posted at 7:02 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Meep123 at 9:57 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from colapopx17 at 9:51 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Meep123 at 9:49 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 There's obviously no such thing as a good atheist.    I know atheists who are very good people. People who work/donate to charities, who always help people in need. Who always respect people for who they are.    Then I know so called Christians who really don't give a fuck about anybody but themselves.   Some people's sarcasm detectors are broken. aha, yeah i never knew you were. lo siento. sorry if you didnt know what that meant lol Meep123 Posted at 6:57 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from colapopx17 at 9:51 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Meep123 at 9:49 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 There's obviously no such thing as a good atheist. I know atheists who are very good people. People who work/donate to charities, who always help people in need. Who always respect people for who they are. Then I know so called Christians who really don't give a fuck about anybody but themselves. Some people's sarcasm detectors are broken. Most recent 15 of 31 previous replies displayed.