Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Drugs for sale Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Anonymous Posted at 7:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 I reported a certain member earlier for soliciting the sale of drugs. He made a topic about valium in the drug forum, i replied and then was sent a solicitation message from him, trying to sell me valium via the internet. We spoke in AIM, and he was completely serious, and showed me his account on an underground drug trafficing site (need referal to join, not indexed by any searches, first rule of fight club is you dont talk about fight club kinda shit) and offered to send a sample (the product was soposodly pure powder, which you can only get in mexico or from a super qualified pharmacist so a sample to show the purity he said would be necesary) I documented and reported all and the moderator who handled it gave him a warning.  This guy could send a little kid on here a dose of valium (a powerful benzodiazapine) which is strong enough to make the 90 lb kid black out for 5 hours, basically having no conscious thought about anything but still doing stuff and not being able to remember any of it) The mod who saw it only issued him a warning. This could literally destroy a kids life. I don't think there is a choice to be made here.  We can't be hosting an online drug exchange.  There are serious moral issues here.  It would be wrong to allow this to keep happening. I am making this topic to see if all the mods agree with the one who handled the case.  I thought though that a great percentage of mods would agree further action should be taken, so I am presenting it to all of you.

Replies audrey820 Posted at 9:17 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Come mod again, please. Rastafarian Posted at 9:07 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from barnabas at 8:32 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from Rastafarian at 5:17 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from barnabas at 10:54 am on Jan. 9, 2009 the actual drug sale was not taking place on lw.    It's a bit tough to hand over drugs on the internet.    I've always wondered how directing someone to a different site, instead of allowing transactions on LiveWire, actually directly effects how much of a threat they are to LiveWire members. It doesnt, but it does decrease our liability which is our primary concern. How does being a middleman decrease our liability? I seriously hope that if this issue happens again with the member that he is banned, permanently. Hosting and allowing drug dealing on LiveWire is something I don't think David would approve of, at all. It's kind of a dual-pronged problem, because the member is not only putting LiveWire at a liability for potentially being a mule for drug dealing, as well as compromising the safety of our members by giving them potential access to drugs which could easily harm them. Don't mean to sound parental, or moddish (since I gave that up) but an informal is a bit weak. I'll think that it's a fine decision that he is given another chance, but any more than 2 and I think this member would pose a serious threat to what you coin the primary concern, and other concerns, such as the members. barnabas Posted at 8:32 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from Rastafarian at 5:17 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from barnabas at 10:54 am on Jan. 9, 2009 the actual drug sale was not taking place on lw. It's a bit tough to hand over drugs on the internet. I've always wondered how directing someone to a different site, instead of allowing transactions on LiveWire, actually directly effects how much of a threat they are to LiveWire members. IT doesnt, but it does decrease our liability which is our primary concern. Rastafarian Posted at 3:17 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from barnabas at 10:54 am on Jan. 9, 2009 the actual drug sale was not taking place on lw. It's a bit tough to hand over drugs on the internet. I've always wondered how directing someone to a different site, instead of allowing transactions on LiveWire, actually directly effects how much of a threat they are to LiveWire members. barnabas Posted at 10:54 am on Jan. 9, 2009 the actual drug sale was not taking place on lw. He was informally warned, and a close watch is being kept on his account. wOlF Posted at 9:46 am on Jan. 9, 2009 We did handle it.  The moderators on at the time decided on an informal warning.  I am, of course, watching his posts and whiteboard for more evidence that he is continuing the behavior, in which case more strict action would be taken. The Professional Posted at 11:05 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 So what would you have preferred we did, Anonymous? roflfuckyou Posted at 10:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Actually. He messaged me too asking me to send him some, or buy some or something I don't remember. Anonymous Posted at 10:21 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Also, the active levels of this chemical are so small that unless they had a scale that goes to 1/10,000 of a gram (Something all 10 year olds have) they could not take an accurate dose, and with such minute doses being the norm, chances are they would take way too much rather than too little.  The powder the same size as a crushed small pill would be in the lethal/serious brain issue range Anonymous Posted at 9:45 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from r o c 2 at 7:36 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 lol valiums are not powerful,i think xans,vic's,perc's, and oxy's are way stronger   and why report people? Valium is a benzodiazapine.  A strong enough dose of ANY benzodiazapine can have people unwillingly walking off bridges, falling on impaling objects, if guns are around i don't even want to think of the possibilities. You are obviously not versed in drugs because you compare this benzo to opiates.  Apples and oranges, my friend. Quote: from OverTheAir at 8:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 We have this process that we follow... Informal warning > Warning > Ban Quote: from Killtyronedead at 8:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Due process. This system is complete crap, no offense.  Due process means giving a fair trial and appeal opportunities and a lawyer if you cant afford one etc.  It DOES NOT mean that the defendant in every case should be given the same sentence.  A traffic offense deserves a warning the first two times.  A murder deserves life. I don't care if you have due process policies.  Give me one reason, other than a policy that was meant to control misbehavior and not drug dealing, that this member should be allowed to stay on LW audrey820 Posted at 9:16 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 I would have instantly formally warned, now that I saw it. We have exceptions to the process in extreme cases. Such as when it involves such an obvious legal issue. Killtyronedead Posted at 8:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Due process. OverTheAir Posted at 8:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 We have this process that we follow... Informal warning > Warning > Ban r o c 2 Posted at 7:36 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 lol valiums are not powerful,i think xans,vic's,perc's, and oxy's are way stronger and why report people? gwen gardner Posted at 7:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 does'nt really concern me cuz the doctors have already got me on enough drugs! i don't even want to look at pills anymore!!! Most recent 15 of 22 previous replies displayed.