for instance
think of the male and female human instincts. (Note that i said human, not other animal species)
the males natural instinct is to have sex with anything that turns him on. that is the common instinct. but because we are human, males are able to gain emotional connection and not want to have sex with anything attractive it sees....he may get turned on, but not to the point that he follows through because of hismentality. some guys, this metality never happens to them and they WILL follow their instincts and screw anything that will let them.....sometimes they even force it....
female humans, by instinct, want emotional connection. they want a monogamous attachment. some women, this instict doesn't really apply to....but for most, it does
now why in the world, since nature's reason for attraction and such is to cause reproduction, doesn't the two sex's emotional and physical "needs" come hand in hand? doesn't it make sense that they should?
if a man's instict was to emotionally get attached to a woman and reproduce with her, reproduction would be a more efficient idea.
but because of male's "instinct", men often can't stay with one women, slowing down the reproduction process cus now he has to go out and find a partner. (now i am not saying this is the case for everyone, but it is a common case. and women do it too but i am speaking in terms of natural instict.)
if women's intinct were the same as men, we'd live in this huge world of mess.
so why doesn't nature have us meet at a happy medium? if nature did that, we'd all be happier lol. we'd have a lifelonng companion and make some babies without any problems lol
this is just one way i think nature is flawed
if you find flaw in my argument, feel free to discuss it with me. i am open to other ideas.
but please handle this maturely and do not be rash in your replies to me if you feel angry or just wanna start forum drama lol.
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 3:59 pm on Sep. 9, 2008 Quote: from Alabamarama at 5:29 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Well, from a biological standpoint, the man would try to impregnate as many women as possible in order to pass on his genes, while the woman would only need one man in order to pass on her own. yes but i'm talking about the fact that with humans, emotions come into play. and this can slow down the reproduction process. so the fact that men and women have such different emotional aspects cause there to be more conflict and therefore nature makes no sense Except it does, just not in our society because we put so much stock into monogamy. A woman, only needing one man to pass on her genes at a time, tries to attach to that man in order to get protection and sustenance for herself and her child. The man, who can pass on his genes a thousand times in a month if he likes, has no reason to attach to one woman. I don't really know about the rest of the world, but in the US at least there is a lot of support for people being with one person at a time, and trying to build up a life apart from the natural.
Quote: from Alabamarama at 5:29 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Well, from a biological standpoint, the man would try to impregnate as many women as possible in order to pass on his genes, while the woman would only need one man in order to pass on her own. yes but i'm talking about the fact that with humans, emotions come into play. and this can slow down the reproduction process. so the fact that men and women have such different emotional aspects cause there to be more conflict and therefore nature makes no sense
Well, from a biological standpoint, the man would try to impregnate as many women as possible in order to pass on his genes, while the woman would only need one man in order to pass on her own.
so the fact that men and women have such different emotional aspects cause there to be more conflict and therefore nature makes no sense
Except it does, just not in our society because we put so much stock into monogamy. A woman, only needing one man to pass on her genes at a time, tries to attach to that man in order to get protection and sustenance for herself and her child. The man, who can pass on his genes a thousand times in a month if he likes, has no reason to attach to one woman. I don't really know about the rest of the world, but in the US at least there is a lot of support for people being with one person at a time, and trying to build up a life apart from the natural.
it's humans who are different. and our emotions and stuff cause complications in the reproduction cycle
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 1:17 am on Aug. 15, 2008i'm just speaking in terms of sexual urges and such, not all instincts. but natural urges are pretty easy to know what they are by instinct from scientist's years of studying and such and studying their discoveries about the human mind and such. i wish i knew how to come across an exact study on it for u on the internet but i studied this in school lol. i dunno. there are just so many different theories That's the thing, there's so much about the brain (which is one of the main things that deals with the balance of hormones) that we don't know. Maybe our lifestyles have altered how we 'naturally' are. I was reading around about a few monogamous species. Studies showed that the hormones released in the brain is the main reason why these animals are monogamous. However, they will fight away, or stick to the same person, for life. Humans aren't exactly like that. So it makes me question if it's purely natural, just because it varies from person to person. I mean, of course there are always exceptions, but in this day and age, EVERYONE is completely different in terms of how they view relationships and sex. I know there are clearly differences between the two genders, and again, it's most likely the hormonal differences... but I don't know if there's actually THAT large of a difference innately.
That's the thing, there's so much about the brain (which is one of the main things that deals with the balance of hormones) that we don't know. Maybe our lifestyles have altered how we 'naturally' are.
I was reading around about a few monogamous species. Studies showed that the hormones released in the brain is the main reason why these animals are monogamous. However, they will fight away, or stick to the same person, for life. Humans aren't exactly like that. So it makes me question if it's purely natural, just because it varies from person to person.
I mean, of course there are always exceptions, but in this day and age, EVERYONE is completely different in terms of how they view relationships and sex. I know there are clearly differences between the two genders, and again, it's most likely the hormonal differences... but I don't know if there's actually THAT large of a difference innately.
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 11:51 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 12:43 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 I think you're missing out a few key factors. First of all, does our society dictate to us at all how things should be? Men in other countries have many different wives, but in most, it's a matter of monogamy. Does our society and the norms that it dictate to us play a large role in how we feel? And if we were to put a group of people, who have never been raised with these "morals" in a separate area, would they still feel the need to be with just one person? --- Now, in terms of the women. They have to raise the child. Instincts wise, having the male around is a form of protection. For 9 months, you're carrying a child, and then you have a baby that you have to raise for at least a few years. Likewise, in terms of sex, I believe women do have a hormone that is released that causes the feeling of attachment... But again, does today's society dictate how a women should act? If women weren't considered sluts or looked badly upon if they were to have a child without the sign of the father, would more people act different? It's nature versus nurture... you can't say all of this is in terms of nature, when a great deal of it is probably impacted by the views of society and the way we were brought up.first thing your missed: i'm talking about instict, not society. i'm talking about the scientific natural want of sex and the fact that it is usually most prominent in men. your second comment contributes to what i said. that's the exact thing. men may not, though they also may. women, most likely yes because it is an instinct to want companionship and is most prominent in women. and jealousy is a natural emotion. if in this group men acted on instinct, if a woman wanted monogamy and he was with someone besides her, she would very likely feel the natural emotion jealousy. guys, being territorial beings, will feel like they can go around, but will feel the same jealousy if the women he's with are with another man. this is just a common thing. which explains a lot about polygamy and once again i must make clear that i am speaking STRICTLY of nature, not society or what society puts into our heads. so the last part of your reply doesn't really contribute to what i was initially talking about How do you know the strictly natural state of a human being, when we have all been raised in a society? You can't speak strictly of nature when we have no particular case that has no societal influence in the matter. A women's instinct could naturally be more along the lines of males, but they can not have as many partners just because much of the time, they would be pregnant with a child. As hithere was stating, women may also instinctively wish to have sex with anything that turns them on, but there are other factors that play into this. My main point is this. I am unable to disregard the influence of society or upbringing, because I have yet to hear of any mass scale of human beings being brought up without these influences. I'd be more than interested to read an article or study on this. I do know that hormones play a role, but it's hard to say whether or not the neurological impact of society on us could also play a role in the hormones (or amount of hormones) secreted.
Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 12:43 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 I think you're missing out a few key factors. First of all, does our society dictate to us at all how things should be? Men in other countries have many different wives, but in most, it's a matter of monogamy. Does our society and the norms that it dictate to us play a large role in how we feel? And if we were to put a group of people, who have never been raised with these "morals" in a separate area, would they still feel the need to be with just one person? --- Now, in terms of the women. They have to raise the child. Instincts wise, having the male around is a form of protection. For 9 months, you're carrying a child, and then you have a baby that you have to raise for at least a few years. Likewise, in terms of sex, I believe women do have a hormone that is released that causes the feeling of attachment... But again, does today's society dictate how a women should act? If women weren't considered sluts or looked badly upon if they were to have a child without the sign of the father, would more people act different? It's nature versus nurture... you can't say all of this is in terms of nature, when a great deal of it is probably impacted by the views of society and the way we were brought up.first thing your missed: i'm talking about instict, not society. i'm talking about the scientific natural want of sex and the fact that it is usually most prominent in men. your second comment contributes to what i said. that's the exact thing. men may not, though they also may. women, most likely yes because it is an instinct to want companionship and is most prominent in women. and jealousy is a natural emotion. if in this group men acted on instinct, if a woman wanted monogamy and he was with someone besides her, she would very likely feel the natural emotion jealousy. guys, being territorial beings, will feel like they can go around, but will feel the same jealousy if the women he's with are with another man. this is just a common thing. which explains a lot about polygamy and once again i must make clear that i am speaking STRICTLY of nature, not society or what society puts into our heads. so the last part of your reply doesn't really contribute to what i was initially talking about
I think you're missing out a few key factors. First of all, does our society dictate to us at all how things should be? Men in other countries have many different wives, but in most, it's a matter of monogamy. Does our society and the norms that it dictate to us play a large role in how we feel? And if we were to put a group of people, who have never been raised with these "morals" in a separate area, would they still feel the need to be with just one person? --- Now, in terms of the women. They have to raise the child. Instincts wise, having the male around is a form of protection. For 9 months, you're carrying a child, and then you have a baby that you have to raise for at least a few years. Likewise, in terms of sex, I believe women do have a hormone that is released that causes the feeling of attachment... But again, does today's society dictate how a women should act? If women weren't considered sluts or looked badly upon if they were to have a child without the sign of the father, would more people act different? It's nature versus nurture... you can't say all of this is in terms of nature, when a great deal of it is probably impacted by the views of society and the way we were brought up.
First of all, does our society dictate to us at all how things should be? Men in other countries have many different wives, but in most, it's a matter of monogamy. Does our society and the norms that it dictate to us play a large role in how we feel?
And if we were to put a group of people, who have never been raised with these "morals" in a separate area, would they still feel the need to be with just one person?
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Now, in terms of the women. They have to raise the child. Instincts wise, having the male around is a form of protection. For 9 months, you're carrying a child, and then you have a baby that you have to raise for at least a few years. Likewise, in terms of sex, I believe women do have a hormone that is released that causes the feeling of attachment...
But again, does today's society dictate how a women should act? If women weren't considered sluts or looked badly upon if they were to have a child without the sign of the father, would more people act different?
It's nature versus nurture... you can't say all of this is in terms of nature, when a great deal of it is probably impacted by the views of society and the way we were brought up.
your second comment contributes to what i said. that's the exact thing. men may not, though they also may. women, most likely yes because it is an instinct to want companionship and is most prominent in women. and jealousy is a natural emotion. if in this group men acted on instinct, if a woman wanted monogamy and he was with someone besides her, she would very likely feel the natural emotion jealousy. guys, being territorial beings, will feel like they can go around, but will feel the same jealousy if the women he's with are with another man. this is just a common thing. which explains a lot about polygamy
and once again i must make clear that i am speaking STRICTLY of nature, not society or what society puts into our heads. so the last part of your reply doesn't really contribute to what i was initially talking about
How do you know the strictly natural state of a human being, when we have all been raised in a society? You can't speak strictly of nature when we have no particular case that has no societal influence in the matter.
A women's instinct could naturally be more along the lines of males, but they can not have as many partners just because much of the time, they would be pregnant with a child. As hithere was stating, women may also instinctively wish to have sex with anything that turns them on, but there are other factors that play into this.
My main point is this. I am unable to disregard the influence of society or upbringing, because I have yet to hear of any mass scale of human beings being brought up without these influences. I'd be more than interested to read an article or study on this. I do know that hormones play a role, but it's hard to say whether or not the neurological impact of society on us could also play a role in the hormones (or amount of hormones) secreted.
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 11:40 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 Quote: from hithere at 12:40 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 Quote: from pumpkin475 at 12:37 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 the males natural instinct is to have sex with anything that turns him on.are you saying the female's isn't? what does "turning somebody on" mean, if it's not defined exactly as that?umm yea i explained technicalities in my original post. reread iti reread it and i couldn't find any technicalities =/. maybe i'm just kinda dumb, but could you point it out to me?
Quote: from hithere at 12:40 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 Quote: from pumpkin475 at 12:37 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 the males natural instinct is to have sex with anything that turns him on.are you saying the female's isn't? what does "turning somebody on" mean, if it's not defined exactly as that?umm yea i explained technicalities in my original post. reread it
Quote: from pumpkin475 at 12:37 pm on Aug. 14, 2008 the males natural instinct is to have sex with anything that turns him on.are you saying the female's isn't? what does "turning somebody on" mean, if it's not defined exactly as that?
the males natural instinct is to have sex with anything that turns him on.
anyway, i was speaking of raw human instinct. a woman does have the instinct to want sex. but the difference is that it is more tyical that their sex drive will not be as prominent and as common in females as it is males.
and what i mean by turn on is simply just when the male find something pleasing to the eye.
Maybe so both sexes can bring something different to the table in a sense and hopefully they can make a happy medium . I've seen guys out there that want an emotional attachment though. Maybe there wouldn't be as much of an attraction if males and females acted the same. Are you attracted to the gay guy who speaks in a girlish voice? no offense to anyone who's gay or anything.
Maybe there wouldn't be as much of an attraction if males and females acted the same. Are you attracted to the gay guy who speaks in a girlish voice? no offense to anyone who's gay or anything.
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