Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Support puppies and kittens by giving them a loving home. Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post FutileRhetoric Posted at 1:02 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 The fact is by not buying a dog that are carefully and lovingly raised in puppy mills, you are killing them by depriving them a home. How can you deny these happy puppy mill dogs a home? Aren't they adorable? Yes! Save their lives by buying them!   But aren't some people against puppies? Yes, terrorist organization PETA is. Not only do they fund terroristic activites to free animals (defenseless puppies, chicks, and calfs) and return them to the wild, they have a record of needlessly killing dogs and cats. Take a look: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm They kill on average 95% more pets than a regular animal shelter. The fact is the people against buying puppies are radicals who would rather all animals be free in the wild rather than being raised in a comfortable home. Do the puppies and kittens a favor, buy them and give them a loving home.

Replies cum funnel Posted at 5:54 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 Whatever helps you sleep at night. I know what's in my local malls. And all the ones in the surrounding areas. You can tell yourself I'm lying, doesn't change fact. Ta ta. FutileRhetoric Posted at 4:32 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 I got my healthy pure breed lab for $600 at a local pet store. Nice try making up numbers. Not gonna work. cum funnel Posted at 4:11 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 Obviously you haven't seen most pet store puppy prices. $3000 for a mutt. Nice try. FutileRhetoric Posted at 12:00 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 Quote: from Pixel Dust at 2:29 pm on Oct. 11, 2008 I love how you failed to pay any attention to the rest of my post. Proving that you're the one full of shit. Of course not, that is capitalism. Pet breeders have no obligation to sell pets to pet stores when they can get more money by selling them straight to people for a couple grand. This is not just to you but others who have responded earlier, Can prove such allegations that the pets are treated cruelly; by being taken from their mothers too early, confined in quarters without exercises and play, etc? If you cna prove this is normal practice then your descriptions are accurate. If you cannot, then the familiar allegation put forth by you and others about pets enduring horrible conditions in puppy "mills" is propaganda. The fact of the matter is, there are animal welfare laws and many made partciularly for cats and dogs. To maintain they are treated cruelly when it is uncommon and illegal is lying. PeTA is a organization of idiots. They are not the ones who discovered mills. Stop acting like you're smart. Too right, but they do make sure everyone knows how much they hate puppy mills. cum funnel Posted at 2:29 pm on Oct. 11, 2008 I love how you failed to pay any attention to the rest of my post. Proving that you're the one full of shit. PeTA is a organization of idiots. They are not the ones who discovered mills. Stop acting like you're smart. FutileRhetoric Posted at 1:18 pm on Oct. 11, 2008 Quote: from Pixel Dust at 2:46 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 No responsible breeder allows a pet store to sell their puppies. No responsible breeder allows their puppies to go to homes that have not been checked, to be sold without any guarantees, to be taken from their mothers earlier than 8-12 weeks depending on breed, to be shoved into tiny cages where they get little-to-no exercise, to be sold for outrageous prices. Not one. End of story. Any and all responsible breeders will tell you that. I call bullshit on the animals being shoved into tiny cages where they get no exercise. I call bullshit on the entire, irrational, meritless claim that ALL puppies bred in farm-like conditions are treated inhumanely. As I said earlier, the only evidence I've seen to support a PETA activists claim that the puppies are mistreated is one or two videos showing puppies in inhumane conditions. Again, these sparse examples do not rationally allow a generalization to be made on all such places. Do you know the term, "generalization"? cum funnel Posted at 2:46 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 No responsible breeder allows a pet store to sell their puppies. No responsible breeder allows their puppies to go to homes that have not been checked, to be sold without any guarantees, to be taken from their mothers earlier than 8-12 weeks depending on breed, to be shoved into tiny cages where they get little-to-no exercise, to be sold for outrageous prices. Not one. End of story. Any and all responsible breeders will tell you that. FutileRhetoric Posted at 2:43 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 1:38 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 "You are trying to put yourself up with God epistemologically. FAIL." No. I'm not. But your ignorance is astounding. Your stupidity concerning your generalization is apparent. Again, you said: "Breeders take care of their animals. Puppy mills do not. " Prove every breeder takes care of their animals. More importantly, prove puppy "mills" do not take care of their animals. And don't just post a video exposing one or two puppy mills, yes, I know there are some places which truly are "farms" and they treat puppies and kittens cruelly, but as I said, four or five examples does not even remotely qualify as valid evidence supporting your claim that ALL  or even most puppy "mills" mistreat their animals. cum funnel Posted at 2:09 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 I can't believe you are sitting here trying to defend puppy mills. You, I thought, were actually intelligent. Clearly I was wrong. carracer Posted at 1:38 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 "You are trying to put yourself up with God epistemologically. FAIL." No. I'm not. But your ignorance is astounding. FutileRhetoric Posted at 1:34 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 1:19 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from FutileRhetoric at 1:13 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 1:10 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from switchfoot52 at 1:06 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 you don't make sense. they are not lovingly cared for. they are kept in filthy, wire bottom cages in a filthy barn. they never go outside or see the sun.    The animals are tortured inhumanely.    People should not be buying the animals, because buying the animals supports the companies that are torturing the animals.    It is better to CLOSE OF PET MILLS and adopt the pets.  It is outright wrong to support companies that abuse animals. Right, every single puppy "mill" treats dog inhumanely...that's major BS. You sound no different than a PETA activist. Breeders take care of their animals. Puppy mills do not. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There is a very specific reason that puppy mill dogs are cheaper. Every breeder takes care of its animal? Every "mill" mistreats its animal? You are trying to put yourself up with God epistemologically. FAIL. liferocks Posted at 1:22 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from UltimaTaz at 1:02 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Fail, you showed all dogs. No kittens. lie - it was a third cats carracer Posted at 1:19 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from FutileRhetoric at 1:13 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 1:10 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from switchfoot52 at 1:06 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 you don't make sense. they are not lovingly cared for. they are kept in filthy, wire bottom cages in a filthy barn. they never go outside or see the sun. The animals are tortured inhumanely. People should not be buying the animals, because buying the animals supports the companies that are torturing the animals. It is better to CLOSE OF PET MILLS and adopt the pets.     It is outright wrong to support companies that abuse animals.   Right, every single puppy "mill" treats dog inhumanely...that's major BS. You sound no different than a PETA activist. Breeders take care of their animals. Puppy mills do not. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There is a very specific reason that puppy mill dogs are cheaper.   FutileRhetoric Posted at 1:18 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from silverbullets at 1:15 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from ss454 at 4:04 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 If less people buy from these "puppy mills", they will either cease or slow down the puppy raising. exactly. these "puppy mills" breed dogs purposfully. a dog in a shelter had no higher choice to be born. so why not adopt a dog that was born sort to say accidently. how is aything, dog, cow, or boy, born "accidently"? What is up with you PETA activists? silverbullets Posted at 1:15 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Quote: from ss454 at 4:04 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 If less people buy from these "puppy mills", they will either cease or slow down the puppy raising. exactly. these "puppy mills" breed dogs purposfully. a dog in a shelter had no higher choice to be born. so why not adopt a dog that was born sort to say accidently. Most recent 15 of 30 previous replies displayed.