Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Indigenous rights Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post kidd rune Posted at 5:28 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 PDF warning: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2j9zdy" target="_top">http://http://preview.tinyurl.com/2j9zdy There are several formulations in this document that struck me as interesting. But the plainest and most applicable to my use is Article 8 1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture. 2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for: (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities; (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources; (c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; (d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration; (e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them Here's some quotes to get you thinking: Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century... It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Anthony Browne, Sunday September 3, 2000 The Guardian, UK Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City... In a little more than 50 years there will be no majority race in the United States." President Clinton, Portland State University Commencement, June 13, 1998 The above statement by President Clinton was greeted by rapturous applause. Many people accept that we are living in a 'multi-cultural' society and that all races will soon live together and co-exist peacefully. But how many people know the reality of world demographic trends, and have thought about what this really means? On average a white woman now bears only about 1.4 children along her fertile span. To preserve a population, the rate should be around 2.1 (to allow for people that do not have any children). Thus the white population is actually declining and if the trend continues, will actually die some time in the near future. The overall population of the world, however, is growing at an astounding rate and is currently doubling every 35 years. When I was young the world population was said to be 4 billion. Now it is recognized to be around 6 billion, and is growing so fast that it is easily beating the UN projections every time. According to the United Nations Long-Range World Population Projections, people of European descent, who not so long ago formed around 35% of the world's population, now constitute about 8%. This percentage is projected to fall to about 2% some time this century. All of this actually makes a mockery of the fad in the last few decades of middle-class white couples choosing not to have children for the sake of the over-populated Earth. The figures speak for themselves. White populations are not even producing enough children to keep their numbers stable - whilst at the same time, all of the other races are growing at rates that will soon eclipse the whites - even in our 'own' countries. Very soon, unless something changes, the white peoples of the world will be extinct - that is a fact. Some people shriek with horror when they hear arguments such as these and call them 'White Supremacy'. This makes it sound as if we want to conquer the other races and rule the world. Well, look at the figures again and you will see that it is more a question of 'White Survival' than 'White Supremacy'. It is nothing to do with hating other races or hurting or killing people because their skin is the wrong color. When people talk about saving the Tiger from extinction, is this 'hatred' against lions?

Replies kidd rune Posted at 12:31 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Do something to occupy yourself while the nation is changing. It is useless to worry about things you cannot change. And not of intelligent use to think that even your proposed solution will solve all of the problems in the world - what you propose may even make things worse for the people you heedlessly try to switch to your own ideals. What do you think I'm trying to do with the USA? I want a state, of adequate size, in Europe to be it's own country solely for Whites. Takinam Posted at 12:16 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 12:08 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from Takinam at 3:05 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 There will be mixed race children. Those children will have white ancestry.    That is the future of America. If you do not like multiculturalism, then you can move elsewhere. Where else can I move where multiculturalism doesn't exist with Whites as a majority?   And having White ancestry doesn't make you White... Neither does it make you black, asian, etc. I didn't say that having white ancestry makes you exclusively white. It makes you multiracial with white ancestry. And that is what I said. I'm sorry if you don't like the direction of America. Perhaps you should find a better way to make use of your time instead of worrying about these trivialities. Paint, write, etc. Do something to occupy yourself while the nation is changing. It is useless to worry about things you cannot change. And not of intelligent use to think that even your proposed solution will solve all of the problems in the world - what you propose may even make things worse for the people you heedlessly try to switch to your own ideals. You may try moving to a small village in Europe. Or something. It is an option, but as for the superpower that is America, your ideal is far-fetched and hardly an option with the increasing numbers of minorities. kidd rune Posted at 12:08 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from Takinam at 3:05 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 There will be mixed race children. Those children will have white ancestry. That is the future of America. If you do not like multiculturalism, then you can move elsewhere. Where else can I move where multiculturalism doesn't exist with Whites as a majority? And having White ancestry doesn't make you White... Takinam Posted at 12:05 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 There will be mixed race children. Those children will have white ancestry. That is the future of America. If you do not like multiculturalism, then you can move elsewhere. kidd rune Posted at 9:53 am on Nov. 8, 2008 can I make the point that race is tied to power, and that there is a large difference in being the racial minority physically vs. being the minority holders of power, status, historical and current agency. For example, white slaveholders in the American South were the racial minority, but clearly the racial holders of power. So likewise although whites in their 'homelands' may become the racial minority, there is no erasing their history of social dominance and agency. And considering the extent to which 'whiteness' is socially constructed, that means quite a bit. 1. When Whites start to become a minority - they lost positions in power. Look at Obama... And what about central Florida? Whites became a minority here, and it seems like they were never here. Everything is Latin American in some places. And what is so socially constructed about "Whiteness"? snowfish Posted at 11:48 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 can I make the point that race is tied to power, and that there is a large difference in being the racial minority physically vs. being the minority holders of power, status, historical and current agency. For example, white slaveholders in the American South were the racial minority, but clearly the racial holders of power. So likewise although whites in their 'homelands' may become the racial minority, there is no erasing their history of social dominance and agency. And considering the extent to which 'whiteness' is socially constructed, that means quite a bit. kidd rune Posted at 6:14 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 Naturally you'd be the one deciding who had a natural right to which land, right? You couldn't pull it off if that weren't the case. I suppose, your solution would be to say that Europe is natural white land, and deport all colored (native-born, naturalized and culturally integrated or not) individuals elsewhere to make room for the whites? And the Americas would stay white I presume? Some parts of Europe have had only White inhabitants until recently (multiculturalism is to thank for that!). Therefore, to keep one race from dying out - you have to "move" another race (Does not include any harm) from one place. I doubt this would happen to all of Europe, or even most of Europe. Each race has the right to have this - keyword:RIGHT. They don't have to do have their own land, which is why there is no reason to take every White and stick them in Europe - and take every nonWhite and push them out of Europe. And if Europe was White, America wouldn't be. I'd trade America for Europe any day. Shaknbake Posted at 6:09 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:02 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 If they aren't natural inhabitants to the lands - they shouldn't have a say in it. If Whites were living right on top of the new Amerind reserves - the government made them move. Naturally you'd be the one deciding who had a natural right to which land, right? You couldn't pull it off if that weren't the case. I suppose, your solution would be to say that Europe is natural white land, and deport all colored (native-born, naturalized and culturally integrated or not) individuals elsewhere to make room for the whites? And the Americas would stay white I presume? kidd rune Posted at 6:02 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 Do you know of any space of land large enough and of the right quality to sustain a sovereign state that does not already contain a nonwhite population? ispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources If they aren't natural inhabitants to the lands - they shouldn't have a say in it. If Whites were living right on top of the new Amerind reserves - the government made them move. Shaknbake Posted at 5:51 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 What do you propose kidd? Where on Earth could a white nation be established without violating this: (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources; and this: (c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; Do you know of any space of land large enough and of the right quality to sustain a sovereign state that does not already contain a nonwhite population? kidd rune Posted at 1:03 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 Quote: from snowfish at 1:06 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 all you do is ignore history and pretend like all races/ethnicities are currently on equal footing. The first quote comes out of a long history of racial oppression and genocide against indigenous people of North America (note that all indigenous people are lumped together regardless of tribe or nation without consent, whereas whiteness is entered into as a privilege by different people). It's an entirely different situation with 'whites', which aren't really even an ethnic group but a constructed one. Now, I might think you had a point if we're talking about, for instance, Welsh people specifically. And I don't deny that various European indigenous groups have unique worldviews and valuable cultures. But I think it is harmful to make a direct analogy of these histories to those of indigenous people in the Americas. Check the British one - they are BECOMING A MINORITY IN THEIR OWN LAND. If I could go back in time and change it - I would've tried to avoid Amerinds getting killed in their own land and becoming a small minority. But now, we CAN see it. The White race is dying - Nordics, Alpines, Meds, and all other Whites are DECREASING in numbers. It's sad that happened to any race - but it's not like we should help one race and not the other. Whites, as a whole, have a RIGHT to live, to not be assimilated, to be distinct. We have a RIGHT to have our own country - but any idea of that is called "White Supremacy" That is not right. snowfish Posted at 10:06 am on Nov. 7, 2008 all you do is ignore history and pretend like all races/ethnicities are currently on equal footing. The first quote comes out of a long history of racial oppression and genocide against indigenous people of North America (note that all indigenous people are lumped together regardless of tribe or nation without consent, whereas whiteness is entered into as a privilege by different people). It's an entirely different situation with 'whites', which aren't really even an ethnic group but a constructed one. Now, I might think you had a point if we're talking about, for instance, Welsh people specifically. And I don't deny that various  European indigenous groups have unique worldviews and valuable cultures. But I think it is harmful to make a direct analogy of these histories to those of indigenous people in the Americas. kidd rune Posted at 6:03 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 So then pick one collectivley, and stop it. But the only way to do that is to EDUCATE. education is the only wat to save anything, if White poeple had complete knowledge of self they problly wouldnt be declining. If my people had complete knowledge of self, we wouldnt allow povert to chain us down.  The Native Americans lost knowledge of self once the U.S. had control over this part of the continent. This was covered: Some people shriek with horror when they hear arguments such as these and call them 'White Supremacy'. This makes it sound as if we want to conquer the other races and rule the world. Well, look at the figures again and you will see that it is more a question of 'White Survival' than 'White Supremacy'. It is nothing to do with hating other races or hurting or killing people because their skin is the wrong color. When people talk about saving the Tiger from extinction, is this 'hatred' against lions? They don't want to hear "Racism" when this - in no way - is racism. The only real solution to this is an all-White nation. kidd rune Posted at 6:02 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 When did i doubt Whites have rights to culture? In a summary i said "Preserve your culture" when was i hating and called you racist? I am trying - but one person doesn't cut it for the whole population. I went to Britain a few years back. As you know - Indigenous Brits are Celts. The Muslim immigrants altered the culture in many areas - and I experienced that myself. Remember: Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples That means anything that is "We're all of the human race - races don't exist!" Any form of forced assimilation or integration; Multiculturalism IS forced assimilation or integration - I'm a good example of that happening to Whites. Dude, there's nothing we can do about it. We're teenagers, or in our twenties. We can't go around telling white people to make babies. We're fine. Why are you so worried about it? There are a LOT of white people and white children, already. I'm sure not all of them are going to say No, I don't want children. Just leave it be, man. Did you see the facts? Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century... It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City... In a little more than 50 years there will be no majority race in the United States. On average a white woman now bears only about 1.4 children along her fertile span. To preserve a population, the rate should be around 2.1 (to allow for people that do not have any children). Thus the white population is actually declining and if the trend continues, will actually die some time in the near future. According to the United Nations Long-Range World Population Projections, people of European descent, who not so long ago formed around 35% of the world's population, now constitute about 8%. This percentage is projected to fall to about 2% some time this century. I want all people preserved - but Whites, at the moment, are endangered. Afu Posted at 5:59 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:51 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Your placing all the blame on multicultralism, when it might be White Poeple themselves who are bringing an end to your race. You said it yurself, Insted of blaming mulit- cultralism and intergration for the decline of a race, why dont you blame your fellow brothers and sisters for not wanting to preserve thier culture.   It seems like the rest of us arnt having a problem with that. They're both factors. Nevertheless, one or the other needs to be stopped for White rights. The White population doesn't change when nonWhites aren't present in a nation - it stays at 100% (may lower in numbers, but that can be changed). So then pick one collectivley, and stop it. But the only way to do that is to EDUCATE. education is the only wat to save anything, if White poeple had complete knowledge of self they problly wouldnt be declining. If my people had complete knowledge of self, we wouldnt allow povert to chain us down.  The Native Americans lost knowledge of self once the U.S. had control over this part of the continent. Most recent 15 of 31 previous replies displayed.