Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Proposition 8 passed because of the black supermajority voting 'yes.' Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Mediocre Posted at 7:07 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Doesn't that make you feel at least a little racist?

Replies thelea333 Posted at 2:21 am on Nov. 10, 2008 I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8. Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear? If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, excuse me Jesus, that is crap! I don't believe it! This political year was fraught with right wing lies. Bear that in mind. <p> "Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state." <p> Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the anti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means - he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys - who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. "It was a decision we made very prayerfully," Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee's Jennifer Garza. "Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children." <p> This is your real enemy. Don't trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math. Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we're just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The original percentage of black voters who were expected to say yes to Prop 8 was only around 52-58%. Anytime you get a vote that much higher over the projected vote, something went wrong. <p> I know someone who watches C-Span and they said most Blacks did not even address the question at all. And they do not have the money to fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state. <p> I cannot believe that these groups get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. Rather than be upset at the phantom African-American menace, fight like hell. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans. When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both. <p> How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960's? Then how do you automatically expect support in return? Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume? <p> No one gave Obama anything and they will not give gays anything either. Obama stands on the shoulders of a lot of brave people who gave their lives for him to stand on that podium last night. <p> Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left. <p> Don't fall for the lies. <p> <p> pinkflames Posted at 12:21 am on Nov. 10, 2008 blacks make up such a small percent of california how can you blame them? thelea Posted at 12:19 am on Nov. 10, 2008 I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8. Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear? If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, excuse me Jesus, that is crap! I don't believe it! This political year was fraught with right wing lies. Bear that in mind. <p> "Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California's largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state."  <p> Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the anti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means - he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys - who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. "It was a decision we made very prayerfully," Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee's Jennifer Garza. "Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children." <p> This is your real enemy. Don't trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math. Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we're just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The original percentage of black voters who were expected to say yes to Prop 8 was only around 52-58%. Anytime you get a vote that much higher over the projected vote, something went wrong. <p> I know someone who watches C-Span and they said most Blacks did not even address the question at all. And they do not have the money to fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state. <br> I cannot believe that these groups get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. Rather than be upset at the phantom African-American menace, fight like hell. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans. When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both. <p>  <p> How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960's? Then how do you automatically expect support in return? Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume? <p> No one gave Obama anything and they will not give gays anything either. Obama stands on the shoulders of a lot of brave people who gave their lives for him to stand on that podium last night. <p> Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left. <p> Don't fall for the lies. <p>  <p> JZA Posted at 6:08 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 were blacks actually numerous enough to be the sole cause of it passing? kidd rune Posted at 5:35 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 Quote: from Mediocre at 8:25 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:17 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 I don't get how that would make someone - that had nothing to do with the vote - feel racist... Because the proposition was retarded, as any sane person could see, and wouldn't have passed if not for the backwards black thugs who voted for it. Unless they voted for it (or would have) it shouldn't matter. bigslick Posted at 5:32 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 its doesnt make me feel racist. just anti-christian. but i already felt that anyway. so nothing really changed Mediocre Posted at 5:25 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:17 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 I don't get how that would make someone - that had nothing to do with the vote - feel racist... Because the proposition was retarded, as any sane person could see, and wouldn't have passed if not for the backwards black thugs who voted for it. kidd rune Posted at 5:17 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 I don't get how that would make someone - that had nothing to do with the vote - feel racist... matt15 Posted at 4:05 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 black people don't really like gays. Takinam Posted at 2:16 am on Nov. 9, 2008 African-Americans are deeply religious and turned out in huge numbers to vote on this bill. Big surprise. The 3/10 that didn't vote were probably atheists. This belongs in the politics forum, not race. And prop 8 was created by a white man. Jesus, you guys need help. asia lover Posted at 7:24 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from Brunette lady at 7:22 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Btw I bet the stupid fuck who proposed prop 8 was white... What if they discovered they were actually gay lol they would be like "... oops..." XD scalywag66 Posted at 7:23 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from JeanClaude at 7:09 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from scalywag66 at 10:08 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 not to sterotype, but I think you just did I know I just did, but nothing bad.  Just adding some salt to the plate. Brunette lady Posted at 7:22 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Btw I bet the stupid fuck who proposed prop 8 was white... asia lover Posted at 7:22 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 7:19 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from asia lover at 2:16 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 7:12 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 No. You'd think they'd know better than to engage in prejudicial acts.   Apparently not Honestly. They should know better than anyone what discrimination can do and is like. I am Latino and my family on my moms side voted yes those bitches. But my dads voted no. And of my black friends very few agreed with voting no. The vast majority were yes on it. As for the white people they were more accepting. See, but that's the thing. Minority groups seem to be the ones that are less aware of the impact of prejudice. I'm Asian, and my parentals are rather sexist/racist/homophobic/just about every other prejudice there is. That is weird... but that is true! And yet white people are credited with being the racist group lol Hmmm... well my family is a little bit racist, my moms side is extremely homophobic and strangely enough very pro American (and they are all related to immigrants and support deportation lol) blufindr Posted at 7:19 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 Quote: from asia lover at 2:16 pm on Nov. 9, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 7:12 pm on Nov. 8, 2008 No. You'd think they'd know better than to engage in prejudicial acts.    Apparently not Honestly. They should know better than anyone what discrimination can do and is like. I am Latino and my family on my moms side voted yes those bitches. But my dads voted no. And of my black friends very few agreed with voting no. The vast majority were yes on it. As for the white people they were more accepting. See, but that's the thing. Minority groups seem to be the ones that are less aware of the impact of prejudice. I'm Asian, and my parentals are rather sexist/racist/homophobic/just about every other prejudice there is. Most recent 15 of 31 previous replies displayed.