Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic People in Germany Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Forgot My Name Posted at 5:22 pm on Dec. 26, 2008 How they view Americans that go there to visit? Can you tell if someone is American? See, I want to move there after I get out of college, I want to become a citizen, but I don't want to stick out.

Replies jakelong Posted at 10:30 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 3:38 pm on Jan. 5, 2009 But many of the known sources your article used have been disproved and their lies have been shown Sure because the Holocaust is all a lie and it was proven by a bunch of nazis. Woopdedoo Where did I say I didn't know of the July 1944 plot? Or did you just ASSUME it like you ALWAYS do? YOu calimed there were Communists and Anearchists. If you knew about the 1944 plot or didn't pretend it didn't happen you would know what you said was a lie. Then again maybe you did know you lied.   He could have made anything up. Sure just like this was made up In an era when the earth is gradually being divided up among states, some of which embrace almost entire continents, we cannot speak of a world power in connection with a formation whose political mother country is limited to the absurd area of five hundred thousand square kilometers. --- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 2 For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude. --- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf 3 http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa110899.htm Forgot My Name Posted at 10:38 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Quote: from Expando1 at 11:27 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Forgot my name at 5:26 pm on Dec. 26, 2008 Quote: from Presario at 5:25 pm on Dec. 26, 2008 I have a friend in Germany in a gang so I'm good. You'll get rick rolled there if your Muslim    lol, Muslims don't belong in Germany anyway. Berlin has the largest population of Muslims outside of the mid-east itself. And they don't belong. WWHD, lol Expando1 Posted at 11:27 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from Forgot my name at 5:26 pm on Dec. 26, 2008 Quote: from Presario at 5:25 pm on Dec. 26, 2008 I have a friend in Germany in a gang so I'm good. You'll get rick rolled there if your Muslim lol, Muslims don't belong in Germany anyway. Berlin has the largest population of Muslims outside of the mid-east itself. kidd rune Posted at 3:38 pm on Jan. 5, 2009 said by the one who kept posting over and over from racialist biased sources. But many of the known sources your article used have been disproved and their lies have been shown - and much of what they claim as true isn't believed by the most insane exterminationists today. Go look up Lebensraum. {SNIP} Please don't tell me you never heard of it. That and the fact you didn't know about the 20th July 1944 plot lost you total credibility even as the resident LW NS. Where did I say I didn't know of the July 1944 plot? Or did you just ASSUME it like you ALWAYS do? Oh and here is a really cool quote from your innocent Hitler who didn't do the Holocaust of course: {SNIP} http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler I want direct sources. Not a link to Wiki. Don't just say that he said it - give a time and place and more info if you can find it. I did look into it though. It's a picture of an engraved quote in the USHMM. In English. Their sole source is Louis Lochner. The only source is that he SAID that Hitler said that. He was interned by the Nazis - then released in a prisoner exchange. He could have made anything up. So we've come down to him being a source and that is only so because he heard that and repeated it. I REALLY believe it now :D jakelong Posted at 11:45 pm on Jan. 4, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 4:26 pm on Jan. 3, 2009 And then it all made sense. When I saw the biased sources. said by the one who kept posting over and over from racialist biased sources. There was no real claim by Hitler that he wanted all of Europe as his. Go look up Lebensraum. Lebensraum (help·info) (German for "habitat" or literally "living space") served as a major motivation for Nazi Germany's territorial aggression. In his book Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum (for a Grossdeutschland, land, and raw materials), and that it should be taken in the East.. The acquisition of new soil for the settlement of the excess population possesses an infinite number of advantages, particularly if we turn from the present to the future ... It must be said that such a territorial policy cannot be fulfilled in the Cameroons, but today almost exclusively in Europe Please don't tell me you never heard of it. That and the fact you didn't know about the 20th July 1944 plot lost you total credibility even as the resident LW NS. Oh and here is a really cool quote from your innocent Hitler who didn't do the Holocaust of course: Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter, with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It's a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me. I have issued the command, and I'll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad, that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death's-head formation in readiness, for the present only in the East, with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need.Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians? http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler kidd rune Posted at 4:26 pm on Jan. 3, 2009 Nein mein fuhrer! http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Ideology_Death/blutandboden.htm I just looked at a bunch of bullshit. And then it all made sense. When I saw the biased sources. Completely relevant. Hahaha! There was no real claim by Hitler that he wanted all of Europe as his. He would've liked it - but it wasn't something he was going to kill and start a war to get. He really just wanted Germany and the land stolen from it back - but "Invading" previously German land sparked the conflict. Defected? You mean they defected to the West or to the East? Had no idea that handicapped ppl wanted to defect to other countries... Especially long before the Cold war... Good job. Defected people are people with defects. The defect that they had was their non-functioning brain. Henceforth - retards. Sounds like something you would need that's true. Nah. They would've loved me. Prove they wre AS EFFICIENT. I thought Germans were the best at everything.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_Showa_Japan Oh so Blut and boden means thye wre FORCED to expand and integrate all Europe into Germany. Yeah poor bastards. "Forced" by thier own retarded ideology. Wrong. Blut und boden means that Germany belongs to Germans - Britain to Britons, France to French, etc. Your silly Jewish/Zionist authors can say whatever they want and make up as many lies as they please. It doesn't mean anything unless there is evident proof that Hitler himself wanted all of Europe under his empire and was going to take it by force. What you mean "revolt". Don't pacifist have the right of speech and exprssion and dissent? You could sit there and be a pacifist - nobody would've cared. But if you were lining people up to go against the German war effort you would've been in trouble. And THATS what you CALL FREEDOM? lol yeah If you don't like Germany leave. Makes sense. I'd never have that issue because when I don't like a country I go to another one. So by "freedom" you mean "free" to leave the country??? Wow thats great freedom espcially when all of Europe is put under the same law and rules No - I don't. Germany had a lot of freedom compared to much of Europe - but nothing that you think you have today. But nobody said the US is perfect. And if they did it would be a lie. Our freedom has pushed laziness towards our people. People want absolute freedom - but people don't know what they want. When people have all the freedom they can have - it's called ANARCHY. And how do you expect handicapped people to leave the country?   That's their family's problem and in many cases the families consented the mercy killing. What good is someone that is just alive, sitting in a wheelchair - not being able to do anything? Not being able to tell them they want to die? Not being able to understand the simple concept of death itself? You mean everyone in other countries was sending homos to the concentration camps to be exterminated? ok... Germany didn't do that. And you must provide evident proof that Hitler sent Homosexuals to extermination camps for the sole purpose of killing them BECAUSE of their Homosexuality. And witness testimonies aren't proof. So you define as "German cistizen" whatver Hiler decided right? All Hitler has to do is declare this or that person a non-citizena dn thats ok by you. Sieg Heil is perfect for you. The leader of the country decides. That's his duty. If the president of the US had the freedom to do whatever he wanted - he could make ever Mexican citizen a dual-citizen with the USA. Then they could all come here legally. Fun! Or he could say all Mexicans are not allowed to be citizens. But he doesn't have that freedom. So he can't. But Hitler did have that freedom! And much of Germany AGREED with him! And "Sieg heil is perfect for you" - what does that mean? Just because Hitler says so yeah we get it. Well he was the leader - he could make those laws. And if they didn't leave then its ok to kill them yeah we get it. So much for "freedom" i guess It was never ok to kill them in my eyes. But when you are in someones house and they tell you to leave - you leave. Or they might just get their gun and MAKE you leave. They WERE NOT CITIZENS OF GERMANY - so the laws DID NOT APPLY. And you think thats RIGHT and shows "MUCH FREEDOM"? uh-huh. whatever the fuhrer says I guess.   We're talking of the freedoms of German citizens. Regardless - the Germans were happy. You know how our president always walks around with bodyguards? Hitler didn't. He walked around in factories with working men and women. But they didn't attack him. Why would they? I'm sure there are thousands of people that want to kill Obama. Sure they gave German communists and other "undersirables" a whole SECOND from the time the Nazis got elected 1933 to pack up and leave. read on {SNIP} http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005263 {SNIP} And sure they just wanted them out of Germany and that is why Hans Frank the governor of Poland appointed by Hitler said in 1940 {SNIP} http://tinyurl.com/9vep4t Funny how your source is the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. Probably the largest load of shit ever - revisionists love to just disprove the articles, sentence by sentence, on that site. But, really, they didn't even cite their sources. Why should I be led to believe anything they say? And about the quote. I just see a name and date. I tried researching the quote more and didn't find anything on it. Where's the evidence that he said it? Except that the Nazi idea of freedom  is also YOUR idea of freedom while the idea of freedom of the Weimar republic 5 before was obviously different. Otherwise the Nazi would not have had to change the laws and make these laws Decreee in 1933 {SNIP} http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob60.html Yay for Freedom of removing freedom of the press, civil liberties, and freedom of expression! hurray to freedom of violation of privacy!!! Was only temporary and your cite doesn't really even cite a source - just the US printing office. jakelong Posted at 1:52 pm on Jan. 3, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:25 pm on Jan. 2, 2009 Totally irrelevant. Nein mein fuhrer! http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Ideology_Death/blutandboden.htm The doctrine of Blut und Boden was used to promote racist ideas in Germany and the preaching of Adolf Hitler. In order to understand the feeling of superiority in Germany as it relates to "blood and soil," the teaching of German students must be considered. In most other European textbooks, the history of that particular country begins with the events that took place on that country's soil. A German textbook, on the other hand, almost always starts off by explaining the expansion of the Germanic people throughout Europe. Germans are taught, from a very early age, to have interest in other nations and look upon Europe with a possessive glance. This is a special type of nationalism, which can almost be called internationalism, and makes the philosophy of Blut und Boden quite dangerous. Instead of being content with the "soil" they occupy, many Germans felt that because of their "blood," the rest of Europe should also be theirs. Completely relevant. They were defected people Defected? You mean they defected to the West or to the East? Had no idea that handicapped ppl wanted to defect to other countries... Especially long before the Cold war... Took them out of their misery. Sounds like something you would need that's true. Actually - they did! Prove they wre AS EFFICIENT. I thought Germans were the best at everything. He did not want war - and, yes, he was forced into it. Oh so Blut and boden means thye wre FORCED to expand and integrate all Europe into Germany. Yeah poor bastards. "Forced" by thier own retarded ideology. But when you're in a war and it's either life or death - you don't want your own country to revolt against you. What you mean "revolt". Don't pacifist have the right of speech and exprssion and dissent? You weren't permitted to go against the state. And THATS what you CALL FREEDOM? lol yeah He pretty much said - if you don't like it, leave. They didn't like it and stayed So by "freedom" you mean "free" to leave the country??? Wow thats great freedom espcially when all of Europe is put under the same law and rules And how do you expect handicapped people to leave the country? I don't think Germany or any country should be reprimanded for what everyone was doing at that time. You mean everyone in other countries was sending homos to the concentration camps to be exterminated? ok... They were not German citizens if he told them to leave. So you define as "German cistizen" whatver Hiler decided right? All Hitler has to do is declare this or that person a non-citizena dn thats ok by you. Sieg Heil is perfect for you. Therefore - they had no right to live in Germany. Just because Hitler says so yeah we get it. You do know he didn't just say "Leave or die" - he ENCOURAGED them to leave and there were different places set up for Germans. And if they didn't leave then its ok to kill them yeah we get it. So much for "freedom" i guess They were not German as they were DENIED citizenship. And you think thats RIGHT and shows "MUCH FREEDOM"? uh-huh. whatever the fuhrer says I guess. Funny how YOU don't understand. If he didn't want them there - they were encouraged to leave. They had years to leave. Sure they gave German communists and other "undersirables" a whole SECOND from the time the Nazis got elected 1933 to pack up and leave. read on The first concentration camps in Germany were established soon after Hitler's appointment as chancellor in January 1933. In the weeks after the Nazis came to power, The SA (Sturmabteilungen; commonly known as Storm Troopers), the SS (Schutzstaffel; Protection Squadrons -- the elite guard of the Nazi party), the police, and local civilian authorities organized numerous detention camps to incarcerate real and perceived political opponents of Nazi policy. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005263 German authorities established camps all over Germany on an ad hoc basis to handle the masses of people arrested as alleged subversives. The SS established larger camps in Oranienburg, north of Berlin; Esterwegen, near Hamburg; Dachau, northwest of Munich; and Lichtenburg, in Saxony. In Berlin itself, the Columbia Haus facility held prisoners under investigation by the Gestapo (the German secret state police) until 1936. And sure they just wanted them out of Germany and that is why Hans Frank the governor of Poland appointed by Hitler said in 1940 It is clear that herewith a serious warning must be given - the Jews must vanish from the face of the earth. http://tinyurl.com/9vep4t Everybody has a different idea of freedom. Don't compare what you [think you] have today to 70 years ago. Except that the Nazi idea of freedom  is also YOUR idea of freedom while the idea of freedom of the Weimar republic 5 before was obviously different. Otherwise the Nazi would not have had to change the laws and make these laws Decreee in 1933 Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty [114], on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press [118], on the right of assembly and the right of association [124], and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications [117], and warrants for house-searches [115], orders for confiscation as well as restrictions on property [153], are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob60.html Yay for Freedom of removing freedom of the press, civil liberties, and freedom of expression! hurray to freedom of violation of privacy!!!   MaryLin Posted at 5:33 pm on Jan. 2, 2009 This is how it works in Europe: if you learn the language, people will accept you and you will not stick out. kidd rune Posted at 5:25 pm on Jan. 2, 2009 Sieg Heil! Totally irrelevant. Were they not Ger,mns with a right to live in Germany? Guess not. They were defected people and many countries - including the USA at some points in time - mercy killed them. Took them out of their misery. Not on the same scale as the efficient Germans... Actually - they did! Some of them just looked at the baby and decided if it was good enough from that. Wait didn't you claim earlier that Hitler did not want war and that it was "forced" on him? He should have LOVED pacifists. Besides they were Germans and didn't you say that He did not want war - and, yes, he was forced into it. But when you're in a war and it's either life or death - you don't want your own country to revolt against you. So yeah "freedom" except if you are pacifist? You weren't permitted to go against the state. He pretty much said - if you don't like it, leave. They didn't like it and stayed - what the hell? "Freedom" except if you're homosexual? I don't think Germany or any country should be reprimanded for what everyone was doing at that time. Homosexuals aren't treated as fairly in the US either. They can't even get married nowadays. Weren't they German? "freedom" except if you're Freemason? They were not German citizens if he told them to leave. Therefore - they had no right to live in Germany. You do know he didn't just say "Leave or die" - he ENCOURAGED them to leave and there were different places set up for Germans. Who spoke of "planned extermination here? We are showing the wonderful "freedom" extended to Germans who for some reason were not Nazis. They were not German as they were DENIED citizenship. Funny how YOU don't know anything about what you're talking about. Funny how YOU don't understand. If he didn't want them there - they were encouraged to leave. They had years to leave. Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of Freedom.   Same thing. Everybody has a different idea of freedom. Don't compare what you [think you] have today to 70 years ago. jakelong Posted at 4:44 pm on Jan. 2, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 8:38 am on Dec. 30, 2008 The definition of "German" was different than what you call it. Refer to my avatar. Blut und Boden. Blood and soil. Germany is for Germanic people. Sieg Heil! "Handicapped people" were usually "Mercy killed" or would have been aborted if they had the technology of today. Were they not Ger,mns with a right to live in Germany? Guess not.   That's called Eugenics and plenty of countries did it. Not on the same scale as the efficient Germans... The Pacifists were trying to stop the war, obviously, no government wants that. Wait didn't you claim earlier that Hitler did not want war and that it was "forced" on him? He should have LOVED pacifists. Besides they were Germans and didn't you say that Well there was much freedom for the German people under the NSDAP So yeah "freedom" except if you are pacifist? Homosexuals weren't liked much anywhere. "Freedom" except if you're homosexual? Freemasons? Well if you read it told them to leave Germany. They didn't. Weren't they German? "freedom" except if you're Freemason? Show me real proof that there was a planned extermination of Lutherans. Who spoke of "planned extermination here? We are showing the wonderful "freedom" extended to Germans who for some reason were not Nazis. Funny how YOU don't know anything about what you're talking about. Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of Freedom.   Same thing. kidd rune Posted at 8:38 am on Dec. 30, 2008 kidd rune you're not suggesting that catholics, lutherans, handicapped people and pacifists are somehow not german are you...man would that be ignorant considering history. The definition of "German" was different than what you call it. Refer to my avatar. Blut und Boden. Blood and soil. Germany is for Germanic people. "Handicapped people" were usually "Mercy killed" or would have been aborted if they had the technology of today. That's called Eugenics and plenty of countries did it.        So long as you were not        - Jewish        - Jehovah Witness        - Communist        - Pacifist        - Gypsy        - Freeemason        - Handicapped        - Homosexual        - Catholic or Lutheran clergy        or didn't try to help them escape persecution.        Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom...        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims    You did notice I said "German people" and you can easily group all of them into one group:    Non-German citizens illegally living in Germany that had years of encouragement to leave. You are saying that handicapped Germans were illegally living in Germany? So were pacificists, homosexuals, freemasons, and catholic and lutheran priests? I explained handicapped people above. The Pacifists were trying to stop the war, obviously, no government wants that. Homosexuals weren't liked much anywhere. Freemasons? Well if you read it told them to leave Germany. They didn't. Show me the laws where lutheran priests were encouraged to leave Germany and were considered illegal citizens. Show me real proof that there was a planned extermination of Lutherans. KR is the definition of ignorant Funny how you don't know anything about what you're talking about. jakelong Posted at 3:01 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from GoloSLB at 2:28 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 kidd rune you're not suggesting that catholics, lutherans, handicapped people and pacifists are somehow not german are you...man would that be ignorant considering history. KR is the definition of ignorant   jakelong Posted at 2:59 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 1:01 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 So long as you were not - Jewish - Jehovah Witness - Communist - Pacifist - Gypsy - Freeemason - Handicapped - Homosexual - Catholic or Lutheran clergy or didn't try to help them escape persecution. Oh yeah that was really a place of freedom... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_von_Galen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims You did notice I said "German people" and you can easily group all of them into one group: Non-German citizens illegally living in Germany that had years of encouragement to leave. You are saying that handicapped Germans were illegally living in Germany? So were pacificists, homosexuals, freemasons, and catholic and lutheran priests? Show me the laws where lutheran priests were encouraged to leave Germany and were considered illegal citizens. THAT's News to me. Unless you are lying as usual. GoloSLB Posted at 2:28 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 kidd rune you're not suggesting that catholics, lutherans, handicapped people and pacifists are somehow not german are you...man would that be ignorant considering history. Bud2400 Posted at 2:20 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 1:01 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 The only censorship they really had was anything against the German people or the National Socialist ideology. Which happened to be opposing all of WWII and/or attacking Hitler for his decisions which led to war? I'm just saying that this speech was censored in Nazi Germany during WWII whereas it was not in the UK or US during WWII.  Clearly, free speech was rather limited there compared to other places. If you wanted to talk about any of that you were free to leave and go live somewhere else. They could have put on a Kippah and went to Russia. Seems like a rather ignorant response to criticism and opinions against the Nazi government and opposition to Germany's continuing fighting in WWII, in line with all the other "if you oppose what the government is doing, then GTFO" bullshit. Seems to me that it's just an attempt by a totalitarian state to rally support behind it and censor those who might popularize what's deemed by the government to be undesireable opinions. Remember, Hitler believed that the Germans lost WWI because of the popular sentiment for peace, even if that means surrenduring to the Allies (which I believe he thought to have originated by the Jews).  It makes sense why he'd want to censor such opinions during WWII given that he believed that, however, it doesn't make Nazi Germany resemble anything like a "free" state.  Quite the opposite, to be honest. Most recent 15 of 52 previous replies displayed.