Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Why are Whites more likely to commit suicide in the USA? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post kidd rune Posted at 11:03 pm on July 1, 2009 From: Health, United States, 2005, page 223

Replies fantazia Posted at 4:36 pm on July 4, 2009 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations jakelong Posted at 1:49 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:52 am on July 4, 2009 That is the purpose of this thread. To figure this out. Like I said I don't think its a white thing that is if we only speak of race. First asians do it more than whites Second is a combination of the fact that many whites are more morally liberal and are not as religious as nonwhites. For asians it might be social pressure ad well as the fact that their culture does not have something against suicide and even encourages it to some extend. Like the idea of committing suicide when your honor is affected This is not what I said. I bet. So how would you explain the fact that sweden and Finland have a big red mark on them? You are so quick to attribute it to Cuba government but not when it comes to Sweden. Just shows that the reasons are varied. It's more about how Whites act - not necessarily the fact that they are White. But are they more introverted than Negroes and Latin Americans because they're genetically inclined to be, or what? Asians are even more introverted than whites. Introversion is not really genetic. I know a lot of whites who are total extroverts while their family is introverted and vice versa. Its CULTURE. I don't think that it's wise to rule out all possibilities Then don't do it for nonwhites nor is it wise to associate the same problem of other groups with Whites. Why not? Maybe its the same maybe its different. Why do you want to make it seem that whites are in one category and nonwhites are in another. If we use the stats its pretty clear that Asians are even more likely to commit suicide than whites. And as a culture they are even more introverted. So the same explanation you and Bud had can be used to explain asians. . Indians are Caucasoid, and closest to Western Asian people. Not Eastern. Which gives them a different culture in fact. BTW take a look at this Out of every three cases of suicide reported every 15 minutes in India, one is committed by a youth in the age group of 15 to 29. In the Union Territory of Pondicherry, every month at least 15 youths between the ages of 15 and 25 commit suicide. In 2002, there were 10,982 suicides in Tamil Nadu, 11,300 in Kerala, 10,934 in Karnataka, and 9,433 in Andhra Pradesh. In 2003, the largest number of farmers -- around 175 -- committed suicide in Andhra Pradesh. Kerala, the country's first fully literate state, has the highest number of suicides. Some 32 people commit suicide in Kerala every day. Now look at the possible explanations given Experts like him put forward various reasons for the dismal state of mental health among people in the South. Some of these reasons, which mental health experts term 'acute stress factors,' include: Family conflicts, domestic violence, academic failures, and unfulfilled romantic ideals. Voracious appetite for high-end consumer goods spurred by moneylenders and hire-purchase schemes. The wide gap between people's aspirations and actual capabilities. The disintegration of traditional social support mechanisms as was prevalent in joint families. Emergence of a trend towards nuclear families, alcohol abuse, financial instability and family dysfunction. A growing population of the aged. Failure of crops, huge debt burdens, growing costs of cultivation, and shrinking yield. you notice how every single reason could be applied to the social situation of whites here except the last one. Also note that south india is considered the country's information technology hub. The southern region is competing with northern India to become the country's economic powerhouse. Sounds to me that theres a strong social reaon going on here. Whites in the US also share that situation. It could still possibly be that people from the Asian continent are more likely to commit suicide because they are more introverted than Whites. Sure. I never denied that. I jsut think theres a LOT of different reasons going on not just one. Are males more introverted than females? That totally depends. Some are and some are not. Either way males have way more pressure to perform socially. Or maybe it's different. Whites are more likely to commit suicide mostly because they are introverted, but people from Asia are more likely to commit it because of their jobs or pressure. See how difficult it is to plaster a label or a reason based on what you get from stats? You can do the same for crimes stats Why are asians less likely to commit crime than whites and whites are less likely than blacks and latinos? Maybe it is because asians are more introverted. Maybe its because of their culture. Maybe its a combination of both. Like the article I posted mentioned when ppl are under pressure they can direct it outside OR inside. - If their culture sees directing inside as WORSE then  inside they will tend to commit more crimes. - If their culture sees directing outside as WORSE than outside they will tend to commit suicide. The pressure itself can be the SAME or WORSE for those groups. kidd rune Posted at 9:52 am on July 4, 2009 I guess suicide is a white thing then? That is the purpose of this thread. To figure this out. Yeah Sweden and Finland have a pretty shitty government then. This is not what I said. I just wondered though if that was really a race thing. I am still not convinced.   It's more about how Whites act - not necessarily the fact that they are White. But are they more introverted than Negroes and Latin Americans because they're genetically inclined to be, or what? That is the question. Does Japan have a government problem? I found some stats for you ... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/716889/the_high_suicide_rate_of_asian_americans.html?cat=9 So much for the claim that indivualism leads to suicide... I don't think that it's wise to rule out all possibilities, nor is it wise to associate the same problem of other groups with Whites. The writer actually says "When I lived in India..." which shows how "Asian American" really means from the continent of Asia, not what you would consider "Asian" people. Indians are Caucasoid, and closest to Western Asian people. Not Eastern. You are just splitting hair. The question is really is this a "racial" issue or a CULTURE issure?   You said yourself government can also be an issue.   I say its a combination of MANY things: culture, religous affiliation, views on the morality of suicide, politics, social situation, reaction to pressure etc... Why is it that asains are more likely to commit suicide EVEN MORE than whites? Is it really in their genes? Or is that the COMBINATION of factors I spoke plays a role. It could still possibly be that people from the Asian continent are more likely to commit suicide because they are more introverted than Whites. Or maybe it's different. Whites are more likely to commit suicide mostly because they are introverted, but people from Asia are more likely to commit it because of their jobs or pressure. BritchesAndHose Posted at 12:52 am on July 4, 2009 you guys put too much work into these topics. jakelong Posted at 11:16 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 2:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Actually, Argentina does have different racial makeup than the rest of South America. Argentina is largely White.   I just thought you'd like to know that.   Uruguay is similar. Each have more Whites than the USA - funny, eh? I guess suicide is a white thing then? The thing about the other count is the government. Some governments, such as Cuba, are good instigators of suicide. I wasn't surprised when I saw them red.   Yeah Sweden and Finland have a pretty shitty government then. But, remember, I was speaking SOLELY about the USA. Same government for every race. I just wondered though if that was really a race thing. I am still not convinced.   I didn't find any statistics on Eastern Asian peoples and their suicide rates, so I'm not sure why they are red. China might have a government problem. I don't know.   Does Japan have a government problem? I found some stats for you Asian Americans Are More Likely to Commit Suicide Than Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics According to popular opinion, Asian Americans are more likely to ace an SAT, work in a high-paying job, and stay married for life than Americans of most other ethnicities. Unfortunately, Asian Americans also have another not so wonderful distinction; they are much more likely than the average American to commit suicide. A recent study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), points out that Asian Americans are more likely to commit suicide than American whites, blacks and Hispanics.   The only ethnic group in the United States more likely to commit suicide than Asian Americans is Native Americans. What can the high suicide rate of Asian Americans be attributed to? Although the reasons for the high suicide rate of Asian Americans is no doubt a complex problem, I believe that suicide is more common among Asian Americans than Americans as a whole for two primary reasons.[ size=5] First, Asian Americans are under pressure to perform. Second, Asian Americans are under pressure to conform. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/716889/the_high_suicide_rate_of_asian_americans.html?cat=9 So much for the claim that indivualism leads to suicide... This would be an explanation for the red and yellow and sometimes blue in these countries, but I have no statistics for other countries. You are just splitting hair. The question is really is this a "racial" issue or a CULTURE issure?   You said yourself government can also be an issue.   I say its a combination of MANY things: culture, religous affiliation, views on the morality of suicide, politics, social situation, reaction to pressure etc... Why is it that asains are more likely to commit suicide EVEN MORE than whites? Is it really in their genes? Or is that the COMBINATION of factors I spoke plays a role. Moonscar Posted at 10:26 pm on July 3, 2009 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations ronpaul691 Posted at 9:27 pm on July 3, 2009 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations fantazia Posted at 8:29 pm on July 3, 2009 The white race doesn't look that superior, imo. Moonscar Posted at 2:33 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Dyreft at 2:25 pm on July 3, 2009 I think its a sign that White males cannot get ahead anymore in life because jobs hire based on a Affirmative Action quota instead of WHO ACTUALLY DESERVES THE JOB AND HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR IT. Fucking minorities causing the superior white race to kill itself off. Also it could be because they mixed with minority scum and don't want their white genes anymore tainted. I have never seen a more idiotic post. Although I shouldn't speak too soon, you might reply again. Still trying to blame minorities I see. Why is it that when negative stats for minorities are high you want them to take responsibility but when it happens the other way around you want to blame the minorities   You already have a history of racist crap. I shouldn't even have to ask you because I already know you're a racist bigot. Dyreft Posted at 2:25 pm on July 3, 2009 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations kidd rune Posted at 2:11 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 4:50 pm on July 3, 2009 Take a look at this map Now tell me does suicide rate have to do with race, religion, economics or what? From the map one could say asians commit suicide far more than whites. Except in East Europe, Russia France, Sweden, Finland and Ireland. Why is that? is there really a correlation between the suicide rates in egypt or in south america? Why are suicide rates in India much lower than other parts of asia? is it becasue they are aryan? Why is Argentine having far greater suicide rates than the rest of South America? Is therir race very very differnet than their neighbors? Well that's a nice map you have there Jake. Actually, Argentina does have different racial makeup than the rest of South America. Argentina is largely White. I just thought you'd like to know that. Uruguay is similar. Each have more Whites than the USA - funny, eh? The thing about the other count is the government. Some governments, such as Cuba, are good instigators of suicide. I wasn't surprised when I saw them red. It seems they don't bring those suicidal tendencies to the USA though, which just suggest moreso that it's their government. But, remember, I was speaking SOLELY about the USA. Same government for every race. I didn't find any statistics on Eastern Asian peoples and their suicide rates, so I'm not sure why they are red. China might have a government problem. I don't know. Remember, Jake, just because Whites tend to be more suicidal than Latin Americans and sub-Saharan Africans (Only one SSA sample was taken in this map) in the USA - and me and Bud both said it may be from being more introverted doesn't mean we said it should be exactly copied in other countries. You must also take into account Whites in the USA commit suicide at 21 per 100,000 for men, and 5 for women. That would actually put American Whites as yellow. Then we must also factor in that perhaps other races are adding to the suicide rate for other European countries - or maybe they just have ONE more suicide per 100,000 than American Whites. US Whites are a mix of different European nationalities, perhaps some White groups are more suicidal than others. This would be an explanation for the red and yellow and sometimes blue in these countries, but I have no statistics for other countries. jakelong Posted at 1:50 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Bud2400 at 1:19 pm on July 3, 2009 Where on earth did you get that from anything I have said?   i am just asking you since you seemed to be taking KR side.   I didn't look at it a great deal but I think it certainly is another big factor. Why dont you read what I post too? Again, I don't think it's just one thing - I think it's something many factors contribute to. And your explanation there revolves entirely around race, at least the cultural aspect of race, just as what I was thinking. Well as you said since theres a disparity in race we do have to take it as a factor but its MORE the CULTURE which is important here as well as RELIGION. Take a look at this map Now tell me does suicide rate have to do with race, religion, economics or what? From the map one could say asians commit suicide far more than whites. Except in East Europe, Russia France, Sweden, Finland and Ireland. Why is that? is there really a correlation between the suicide rates in egypt or in south america? Why are suicide rates in India much lower than other parts of asia? is it becasue they are aryan? Why is Argentine having far greater suicide rates than the rest of South America? Is therir race very very differnet than their neighbors? Since you guys like stats here is a list http://www.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx Finally, recent respondent level data from other Gallup Polls show that religious people are much less likely than the general public to believe that suicide is "morally acceptable." Perhaps the most extreme example of this comes from France, where 40% of the general population but only 4% of Muslims living in Paris consider suicide morally acceptable. Moral accptability is the key here regardless of religion race, etc.. It just happens that in the US latinos and blacks are culturally and morally more conservative than whites. Bud2400 Posted at 1:19 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 12:58 pm on July 3, 2009 Oh? So when blacks and hispanics are poor and have trouble its THEIR fault but when whites commit suicide its the nonwhites fault too? Where on earth did you get that from anything I have said? You should try to avoid putting words into peoples' mouths for once. I gave some explanation but no one is reading it I didn't look at it a great deal but I think it certainly is another big factor. I find it pretty fucking bad that everyone thinks KR is right but when I say something similar except NOT THINK EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RACE then ppl just side with him ANYWAY.   Pretty fucking weird really. I never said KR was right and you were wrong, though I'd disagree strongly with putting any blame of a higher white suicide rate on non-whites (I think KR's original post on that point was more or less a joke, responding to the spam earlier in the thread).  The whole individualistic vs. collectivist attitude was what I was originally thinking when I saw those statistics.  What you quoted may also be another factor.  Again, I don't think it's just one thing - I think it's something many factors contribute to.  And your explanation there revolves entirely around race, at least the cultural aspect of race, just as what I was thinking. jakelong Posted at 12:58 pm on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Bud2400 at 1:02 am on July 3, 2009 The disparity between whites committing suicide (per person) vs. blacks and Hispanics is a very real one.   Oh? So when blacks and hispanics are poor and have trouble its THEIR fault but when whites commit suicide its the nonwhites fault too? You told KR not to look at everything in terms of race, yet this disparity is very real.  There has to be some reason(s) to explain it. I gave some explanation but no one is reading it Anyway here's some interptrations by some experts http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=36733 Experts explain high suicide rates among white men by illustrating factors that keep suicides rates low in minority communities. "If you speak to African Americans about suicide, they will tell you it's a sign of weakness, not assertiveness. It's seen as shameful," said Dr. David Shaffer, professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at Columbia University. "There's lots of weight given in white liberal cultures to free choice. African Americans tend to be more conservative in beliefs." The Suicide Prevention Resource Center's Black American fact sheet said that "beliefs about suicide may act as a protective factor. Religious communities condemn suicide while secular attitudes regard suicide as unacceptable and a behavior of white culture, alien to black culture." It clearly says here it has to do with CULTURE and RELIGION NOT RACE "Consider homicide and suicide together. When some people encounter stress they can no longer handle, they turn to violence. Some people turn the violence on themselves and we call that suicide. Some people turn the violence against other people and we call that homicide. "It's about a cultural norm. In the black community, it is not that turning violence outward is acceptable, it's that turning it inward is more unacceptable." Note carefully that I was the one who quoted this whole thing NOT KR!!!! I'd like ppl to at least give me credit for what I quoted and not claim KR did everything. I find it pretty fucking bad that everyone thinks KR is right but when I say something similar except NOT THINK EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RACE then ppl just side with him ANYWAY. Pretty fucking weird really. Skullie Posted at 10:40 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from danndivision at 11:03 pm on July 1, 2009 the male side is exceptionally higher due to the girls nagging 24/7 haha Most recent 15 of 73 previous replies displayed.