Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Why do people hate the dixie flag? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post WhiteTrashLilDarling Posted at 12:17 pm on July 2, 2009 Just because I have it as my avatar doesn't mean I am racist.  I'm not racist at all I like all people, I'm just embracing my roots.

Replies jakelong Posted at 1:57 pm on July 3, 2009 I am sure in the south its different that is why I allowed for the fact that FMN considered it his heritage. If you live in the south its probably no big deal and as common as the california flag here. It is when ppl are not in the South and carry that flag that I start to wonder. Is it because of their heritage? maybe maybe not. Although I'd like you to explain why so many racist organizations feel connection to that flag. After all if the Civil War was "not about slavery" then why would they even connect their ideas to that flag? Bud2400 Posted at 1:05 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 11:57 pm on July 2, 2009 I know. Its a bit hard to shake off though. Being nonwhite I don't want to start off something in case they're really racist though. So to me that flag is like warning almost. You ought to travel around in the South more - I think your idea that it's a warning in any way will more or less disappear. They have little shops that sell Confederate flags all over the place and many people down there have one. Many of them certainly aren't racist and are actually quite welcoming of other races (when I brought two of my half white, half Asian friends down there, they were nice and actually kinda curious about their heritage). I even got a Confederate flag that I brought back home, too, though I usually don't wave it around as I know the flag is regarded with hostility much more in Seattle than in the South. jakelong Posted at 11:57 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Bud2400 at 10:06 pm on July 2, 2009 True enough, though it's an obvious stereotype. I know. Its a bit hard to shake off though. Being nonwhite I don't want to start off something in case they're really racist though. So to me that flag is like warning almost. Forgot My Name Posted at 10:17 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 12:56 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Forgot My Name at 9:14 pm on July 2, 2009 I can't explain why people hate the Confederate flag, I myself like it, for that is my heritage too. Why is it your "heritage" if you are from Michigan? Do you have ancestors from the South? lol, I'm not from Michigan, I moved her when I was six. I have family all over the south. From Florida to Maryland to Louisiana. Bud2400 Posted at 10:06 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 1:45 pm on July 2, 2009 Well for me thats not really the reason. The reason I would see as symbol of racism is I have seen it used often by some racist groups. True enough, though it's an obvious stereotype.  After all, when we hang our American flags up for the 4th of July, do we agree 100% with those who wave their American flags up when they cry down with gays, liberals are traitors, and yes for Bush?  Obviously not - that's a blatant stereotype and anyone who makes the assumption that the Confederate flag = racist based on racist groups waving the flag is knowledgeable of this.  Hence why ultimately they draw back onto the American Civil War to justify their perception of the flag. jakelong Posted at 9:56 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forgot My Name at 9:14 pm on July 2, 2009 I can't explain why people hate the Confederate flag, I myself like it, for that is my heritage too. Why is it your "heritage" if you are from Michigan? Do you have ancestors from the South?   Forgot My Name Posted at 9:14 pm on July 2, 2009 I can't explain why people hate the Confederate flag, I myself like it, for that is my heritage too. However, I am wondering why your name is WhiteTrashLilDarling. You are embracing your roots by calling yourself white trash? It sounds more like you are disrespecting yourself and your heritage. I never forget Posted at 5:06 pm on July 2, 2009 I don't hate the flag. The people that glorify it, which happen to only be a group of people that I already hate. That group of people, is white trash. jakelong Posted at 1:45 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Bud2400 at 1:23 pm on July 2, 2009 It's pretty simple. People perceive it as a symbol of racism for they often see the American Civil War as a war over slavery, where the Confederacy seceded in an attempt to keep it. Well for me thats not really the reason. The reason I would see as symbol of racism is I have seen it used often by some racist groups. So if I don't know ahead of time what the guy with the flag has in mind I just give him a really wide berth just in case, unless I know the guy or I have a chance to talk to him and he turns out to be cool. jakelong Posted at 1:23 pm on July 2, 2009 Meh I don't hate it. But when I see it I just wonder if the person is really saying they're from the South or if they are trying to tell people of other races to GTFO. I tend to give ppl with that flag a wide berth and look the other way unless they show some other way that they're cool. Bud2400 Posted at 1:23 pm on July 2, 2009 It's pretty simple.  People perceive it as a symbol of racism for they often see the American Civil War as a war over slavery, where the Confederacy seceded in an attempt to keep it. It's an extremely simplistic outlook on the American Civil War to be honest - the kind of version you'd get in your high school US history class.  Slavery was indeed a big issue and as such, it acted as a trigger issue, but other issues were involved - northern economic exploitation of the south, the south's irrelevance in nationwide elections (Lincoln won without a single southern state voting for him), the south's belief that the north had abandoned its roots, etc.   Moreover, we should not forget how the south saw abolitionism.  Southerners, whom the majority didn't even own any slaves, detested abolitionism primarily because they believed it advocated a giant slave rebellion.  If you look at the Nat Turner slave rebellion, you'll notice many southern individuals were killed.  This is what southerners thought abolitionism to be and thus they saw it as a direct threat against them, whether slave owner or not.  When John Brown attempted to raise a slave rebellion at Harper's Ferry in 1859, it very much confirmed the south's thoughts on abolitionists.  When Lincoln was elected, almost everyone in the south perceived him as an abolitionist as well who would give no help in a slave rebellion and perhaps even encourage one.  In other words, they felt threatened under Lincoln. Granted, such presumptions about Lincoln were more myth than fact.  Lincoln had absolutely no goal of freeing any slaves - he simply just didn't want slavery expanded into the west.  But given the state of affairs during the American Civil War, he found it useful to announce the Emancipation Proclamation after the Battle of Antietam, which would essentially keep the British and French from interfering against the north and also gain the abolitionists' support against the south.  In other words, it was more of a political move than anything else.  Painting Lincoln as essentially an abolitionist or always wanting to free all slaves is quite wrong - it's the same mistake the south made. yssuPevoLI Posted at 12:26 pm on July 2, 2009 There is nothing wrong with the Confederate Flag, some people who think it's a racist symbol are stupid and are probably themselves racist cyanotype Posted at 12:22 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from im with stupid at 3:19 pm on July 2, 2009 It's also pretty much the redneck emblem. You know the world is fucked when you see the confederate flag in WI pretty much anyplace. *fix'd brittany101 Posted at 12:19 pm on July 2, 2009 it has nothing to do with being racist....PEOPLE go look it up in your history books and don't call people things that you know nothing about...i like the flag!!!! acausedelle Posted at 12:19 pm on July 2, 2009 It's also pretty much the redneck emblem. You know the world is fucked when you see the confederate flag in WI. Most recent 15 of 17 previous replies displayed.