Adding Reply Topic I am not selfish Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post davjs Posted at 1:51 am on Nov. 10, 2006 "You are a selfish bastard David!"   I have received a number of messages going off about how incredibly thoughtless and selfish I am to try to make members advertise "my" website. It's true that I take ownership of LiveWire through all the work I do, but I do not even own LiveWire.   The Idea Itself   I spent last weekend coming up with the idea and figuring out how to make it work. Then I worked all week on the coding as it is rather complex and integrated all over LiveWire. Why I deemed it absolutely vital to ask everyone to refer friends   Because you guys don't do it without encouragement. The advertising manager knows, he's seen the numbers, new membership has been declining since February. We have a wonderful thing going here, but you can't place the entire burden of finding new members on me all the time. We must continue to replace members who leave or become inactive to maintain the current level of activity that you are accustomed to on LiveWire. Furthermore, I feel that having more members online at a time creates a better atmosphere.   I am inspired when I sign in and see many new topics appearing in Fresh Topics, when I see forums bustling with activity, and the active members list above 200! However, when I sign-in during low-key hours around 3am and see 47 members online my topics don't get replies and I feel a lack of energy on the site that makes me want to sign-out. If those are selfish reasons for trying to get you guys pumped about referring LiveWire to friends then continue sending me your hate mail. The Numbers New Members in February: 616 New Members Last Month: 310 (Many more members signed up, but those are how many we retained and who have become regular posters.) David is greedy   People keep telling me that I'm out to make more money by "forcing" people to advertise "my" website which is completely wrong. First, we as a community own LiveWire. Legally speaking I work for LiveWire and for you. So it's OUR website. Second, I don't see a cent more in my pocket whether we make $100 more next month or $200 less. A board of directors, made of LiveWire members like you, decide how much I am paid. That amount remains fixed unless they decide to change it. David Hates America and Democracy "You didn't let us vote on whether we wanted this change! Get out of the country you democracy hating whore!" LiveWire isn't actually a democracy, so sorry to burst your beautiful ideals. Voting for new features isn't a tradition on LiveWire. There have been a few votes for changes that didn't go over well, but in general I think getting every change approved by the majority of whoever was online at the time would really be the pits for development on LiveWire. I would never be able to surprise you, and then I would have to spend 20% of my time writing proposals and campaigning for changes instead of working on them.

Replies Solitude Posted at 8:44 pm on Oct. 11, 2008 The thing  is that this isn't a support site anymore. :( Akis Posted at 3:45 pm on Mar. 22, 2007 Quote: from davjs at 4:51 am on Nov. 10, 2006 Why I deemed it absolutely vital to ask everyone to refer friends   Because you guys don't do it without encouragement. The advertising manager knows, he's seen the numbers, new membership has been declining since February. We have a wonderful thing going here, but you can't place the entire burden of finding new members on me all the time. We must continue to replace members who leave or become inactive to maintain the current level of activity that you are accustomed to on LiveWire. Furthermore, I feel that having more members online at a time creates a better atmosphere.   I am inspired when I sign in and see many new topics appearing in Fresh Topics, when I see forums bustling with activity, and the active members list above 200! However, when I sign-in during low-key hours around 3am and see 47 members online my topics don't get replies and I feel a lack of energy on the site that makes me want to sign-out. If those are selfish reasons for trying to get you guys pumped about referring LiveWire to friends then continue sending me your hate mail. Hey that's not very thoughtful! Some of us don't even have any friends, you scoundrel   David Hates America and Democracy "You didn't let us vote on whether we wanted this change! Get out of the country you democracy hating whore!" LiveWire isn't actually a democracy, so sorry to burst your beautiful ideals. Voting for new features isn't a tradition on LiveWire. There have been a few votes for changes that didn't go over well, but in general I think getting every change approved by the majority of whoever was online at the time would really be the pits for development on LiveWire. I would never be able to surprise you, and then I would have to spend 20% of my time writing proposals and campaigning for changes instead of working on them.   Of course it is not, it is a Socialist Republic, don't you see? The government (Davjs) owns all organizations (all of LiveWire) and makes all laws(rules). Of course we cannot protest, we will get shot! (banned) Nevertheless, our government is the one that distributes wealth (points) and labor (ranks, groups etc.) and all the people (we) relies on him to keep our home (The Forum) safe and good to use. So instead of bashing the government (davjs), be a little thankful! (the thing's a joke, don't critisize. Otherwise, if do, in a constructive manner please)   Collin Posted at 3:38 pm on Mar. 22, 2007 Quote: from Bubbly at 8:47 pm on Feb. 17, 2007 Hmmm I don't really get the whole point of this. The checklist isn't mandatory is it??? Because I thought it was just to show you what you had been doing on the site.. Is there something you don't get if you don't complete it? You can't get above Dairy Product Addict without it, whether you have the points or not. And I don't see why they thought you were selfish, that was plain stupid. The Most Sublime Act Posted at 9:04 pm on Mar. 21, 2007 David we all love you, but you are like the nerdy kid in the front of the class, of coarse we are going to pick on every little thing you do. alicia rowat Posted at 3:41 pm on Mar. 21, 2007 yeh your selfish lol jk Bubbly Posted at 5:47 pm on Feb. 17, 2007 Hmmm I don't really get the whole point of this. The checklist isn't mandatory is it??? Because I thought it was just to show you what you had been doing on the site.. Is there something you don't get if you don't complete it? dreamweaver Posted at 8:57 pm on Jan. 28, 2007 I think it's a great idea and necessary as it is a "peer-to-peer" website.  What's wrong with referring some friends to this website?  I mean, I have referred several friends as I think it is an excellent website.  I mean, c'mon!  It's a great website and we shouldn't hide our finding from our friends or people we know.  If the Wright Brothers hid thier great finding of flying, we wouldn't be flying as soon as we were.  Or if Einstein hid his finding of "E=MC2" (that's a square, not a 2 btw)... well, you get the point. silent onlooker Posted at 8:51 pm on Jan. 24, 2007 If ppl dont like what u do then i say tuf!!! i dotn see them workin ours on end to help the site!! Thuggen Posted at 3:18 am on Jan. 14, 2007 Is it fair that you make a topic and don't even come back to clear some things up? I am also against the reffering thing as I don't want my friends to see some of the things I post! showersinging Posted at 5:41 pm on Dec. 24, 2006 "It would be alright if the checklist was optional, or if you received bonus points for completing it.  But holding the blue bar ransom is just sleezy." Post edited at 2:47 am on Nov. 10, 2006 by The Dalai Lama I agree it would be very sleezy susie2324 Posted at 3:40 pm on Dec. 24, 2006 Quote: from davjs at 9:51 am on Nov. 10, 2006 It's true that I take ownership of LiveWire through all the work I do, but I do not even own LiveWire.     who does then? DarkSecretKeeper121 Posted at 8:46 am on Dec. 24, 2006 Quote: from tell me again at 4:58 am on Nov. 10, 2006 That's a re-wording of what you've already said. You still haven't addressed the fact that many of us do not have anyone to refer because we want to remain anonymous, especially the older members who have already referred those close to them. The anonymous feature isn't enough to cover all the past posts, or to prevent friends from recognising the situations that we describe. I agree, I don't have any problems with these changes, nor with the checklist, but I have no one left to refer. I have referred one friend, but it says that he never validated his email, which he did. I can't get my points back.   john69 Posted at 3:00 pm on Dec. 16, 2006 i dont see why we have to do  it gurlnextdoor Posted at 1:26 am on Nov. 24, 2006 i dont think ur selfish! sparkyjo Posted at 10:38 am on Nov. 23, 2006 ""However, when I sign-in during low-key hours around 3am and see 47 members online my topics don't get replies and I feel a lack of energy on the site that makes me want to sign-out. "" ....... as you said Davis..... obiviously alot of people are not going to be on at 3 AM..... people become tired and may need to SLEEP Most recent 15 of 83 previous replies displayed.