Adding Reply Topic Revised Pardon Policy Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post katyduck Posted at 12:09 am on May 28, 2008 As a direct consequence of the large influx of pardon requests received over the last few months, the moderation team has drawn together an revised procedure for how we shall be dealing with previously banned members. We believe that members have the ability to change and reform, and for this reason are happy to give second chances as and when a person proves they deserve one.   Should a member be suggested for denial of service, they are free to appeal the decision should they feel that the ban is in error. If the moderation team agrees that banning this member was not the right decision, a pardon shall be granted. Pardons shall be reserved only for instances in which the ban was made in error, and will not be given lightly.   After a member has been banned from the site, they are not permitted to return to LiveWire for a minimum of seven days, at the end of which they shall be allowed to return on a second account. This account shall be closely monitored for any misconduct, but to all extents and purposes shall be treated as a clean slate. Should the member choose to further infringe upon the Guidelines to the degree where they are a destructive presence on LiveWire, they shall again be banned from the site.   Alternatively, if a banned member wishes to play a constructive role on the forums, we are more than happy to allow them to do so. Indeed, if we believe that a member has genuinely reformed and can prove this to us through their actions, we shall be delighted to return their original account to them. However, in order to revoke a just and correct ban, a member must have consistently proven, for a sufficient period of time, that they have the genuine desire to play a positive part on LiveWire. For this reason, the team shall not even consider pardoning a member without them having waited a minimum of four months.   Please note that things such as days active shall be considered in the decision - if a member has few days active over four months, we have little to no persuasive evidence that they shall obey the Guidelines on any account.   So, in summary:   •A banned member is permitted to appeal should they feel their ban was in error   •If they were banned legitimately, members may return to the site on another account after a period of 7 days   •Should a member show a long period of constructive behaviour on this second account, they may request that their original account be pardoned after having returned on the second account for a minimum of four months   •Individuals who pose a real and legitimate threat  (such as members who display sexually predatory behavior) to our users are in no way covered by this policy in any way, they are simply ban on sight members.

Replies ssminow Posted at 12:23 am on June 17, 2009 cool beans jakethesnakee93 Posted at 7:30 pm on May 12, 2009 this is like the fucked up american penal system Grabdix Posted at 7:47 am on May 2, 2009 Quote: from BLUEAUTOMATIC at 12:15 am on May 28, 2008 How is that different from the old policy? 7 days! Slim Shady Posted at 9:41 am on Mar. 5, 2009 It worked 4 me! 1big dawg Posted at 8:35 am on Mar. 5, 2009 sounds good ilovedan098 Posted at 6:34 am on Mar. 5, 2009 Ok jmcpolin93 Posted at 12:38 pm on Mar. 4, 2009 Quote: from hithere at 3:19 am on May 28, 2008 Quote: from BlueAutomatic at 12:15 am on May 28, 2008 How is that different from the old policy? what i was gonna ask... me too Shania1 Posted at 7:48 am on Mar. 4, 2009 YAY!!!! this is good MissunderstoodAngel Posted at 5:38 am on Nov. 8, 2008 i think that is really good that you give people the chance to reform themself before banning them from the website FOREVER. I thin other sites like this should take a leaf out of your book iconoclast Posted at 4:38 pm on Oct. 10, 2008 Too bad katyduck should never have a say in moderation policy, because she should be banned herself... AJ 12052 Posted at 12:49 pm on Oct. 3, 2008 Quote: from hithere at 12:19 am on May 28, 2008 Quote: from BlueAutomatic at 12:15 am on May 28, 2008 How is that different from the old policy? what i was gonna ask... but whatever tenchi1084 Posted at 6:52 pm on Oct. 2, 2008 they'll just go to another computer to create an account....doesn't really change anything in reality medjai Posted at 7:37 pm on Sep. 19, 2008 Depends if the member was banned many times before this policy or not, hithere, the nature of their bans matter as well, etc etc. It's really up to moderation discretion, as it has been for the past year and a half the only difference is now it's public. As for why we don't just use a seven day warning, we've learned that banned members generally wish they had their original account back (as is evidenced by the shitloads of requests we get), taking that away from them is a big enough punishment, additionally they aren't allowed to use the site for seven days, which is a lot more severe than a seven day warning. They lose all their points and their status and their donations when they're banned, when they come back in seven days they're cowed versions of their banned selves, if they aren't, they get banned again. And that's incorrect, we had just as many spamfests, the difference is now we have far more active members. Proportionate to our size now vs our size two years ago, we have less spamfests now than we did then. We had one guy who kept creating new accounts on proxies and would take over the entire World News forums and Politics forums with topics attacking ABS and topics attacking anything that was anti-zionist/isreal, he stuck around for months even though we were auto-banning him no matter what. If someone's motivated enough to do that kind of shit, then they'll do it regardless of our ban policy. hithere Posted at 6:12 pm on Aug. 1, 2008 does this mean that anytime a member banned many time is reported, you'll ban them on the spot? 4est Posted at 11:15 pm on May 30, 2008 Quote: from katyduck at 6:05 am on May 29, 2008 David stated the 7 day thing well over a year ago now. Everyone thought it was a crock of shite but what can you do. We've been going by it for roughly two years, so for you to say it's the most prepostorous thing ever is a pretty bad reflection on yourself really, seeing as the system's been working that way without you noticing for years. We just take the stuff we've been ordered on and work around that to find something that's best on the whole. And to be honest, I think the team has done a pretty good job. You'd be amazed at how hard it is to get such an argumentative group of people to agree on anything. Except that we had far less spamfests 2-3 years ago. In my memory, at least. Most recent 15 of 69 previous replies displayed.